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  • in reply to: counter stealth: the way forward for Europe? #2363227
    wrightwing
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    no! it does not.
    Please read again.

    Perhaps if we limit the discussion to wingtip Sidewinders and conformally carried MRAAMs. It most certainly does matter when you’ve got EFTs, 2000lb bombs, sensor pods, and the pylons, etc… hanging under the wings.

    in reply to: counter stealth: the way forward for Europe? #2363234
    wrightwing
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    You must have missed the USAF Lt. Col in front of Hank Griffith’s name, and mistaken him for a LM employee, or that it was an article in Aviation Week, and not a LM press release.
    There’s gonna be a tin foil shortage soon, with all of these conspiracies be tossed about.

    in reply to: counter stealth: the way forward for Europe? #2363270
    wrightwing
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    I love it when people say “certainly”. 😀
    It makes me wonder about the fog of war.

    I’m perfectly willing to reconsider, if you could point me to a single example.

    in reply to: counter stealth: the way forward for Europe? #2363275
    wrightwing
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    F-35 will not drop its a2g payload it if its engaged in a a2a fight?

    It’s not likely. Like has been mentioned before, one of the selling points is the F-35’s agility, while carrying weapons.

    in reply to: counter stealth: the way forward for Europe? #2363310
    wrightwing
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    so what makes you think the other guy doesn’t have ability to engage in all hemisphere?

    why do we need fighters like performance ? just put this system on B-52 and go downtown. they should be fine right?

    Well there are certainly no Gen 4/4.5 fighters that have anything(or have funding for) like the DAS/HMD combo. Perhaps the T-50/J-20 might, but it certainly has been mentioned as a feature yet. It’s not an easy feature to retrofit either, due to the size of the sensors, and required geometries.

    in reply to: counter stealth: the way forward for Europe? #2363319
    wrightwing
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    A2A missiles are not a big influence on drag or turning.

    Especially after you fire off a few of your long range AAMs before any merge.

    Any bombs would be jettisoned if a furball was developing.

    You are making illogical arguments to try and make the F-35 look good.

    It depends on the type of carriage, to whether there’s much penalty from the AAM(and pylons). If the foe forces you to drop your bombs, then your mission was unsuccessful. I am making statements that aren’t trying to be disengenuous. You’re entitled to your opinion- it just doesn’t happen to be shared by most Air Forces.

    in reply to: counter stealth: the way forward for Europe? #2363334
    wrightwing
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    Arrghh. Its like trying to explain things to a 5 year old.

    The F-16 has 58.7% of its total (afterburning) thrust available in military power only.

    The F-35 has 67.0% of its total thrust available in military power only.

    Do you think the F-35 has a higher top speed than an F-16? I have yet to see anywhere claim the F-35 can get above Mach 1.8, much less beat a Viper. Now, seeing as that is the case – do you not realise what that implies for drag characteristics?

    Work the proportions. Its not complicated.

    I’m not arguing about theoretical top speeds. A combat loaded F-16 can’t hope to keep up with F-35s though(I.e. an F-16 is only faster when unarmed, and without external fuel, or to put it more simply- a clean F-16 is only slightly faster than a combat loaded F-35).
    Even F-15s which ARE faster than F-16s, haven’t gotten above M1.4 in combat. The F-35 is designed to be able to fly its max speed WITH a full internal load. I take it you didn’t bother looking at that P&W link, or take into account installed vs uninstalled thrust, altitudes, etc…

    in reply to: counter stealth: the way forward for Europe? #2363339
    wrightwing
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    Ahh, back to that old chestnut are we?

    1. The F-35 will not be able to avoid the dogfight. Long wavelength radar will localise the F-35 enough to allow vectoring of OpFor air assets to the area.

    2. Assuming a 2025 environment (i.e. Gen 4+), these assets will acquire the F-35 using IR means, if not by AESA means.

    3. They will be able to dictate the nature of the fight by being able to start their missile launches from a higher energy state (due to the F-35s tardy top speed).

    4. They have more missiles for greater combat persistence, so can ripple fire if needs be (Unless you want to sacrifice that precious “stealth”?).

    5. Upon the merge, the F-35 will not only be mission killed, it will be actually killed due to its comparative lack of maneuverability.

    1- what’s the proliferation of these long wave radars, and what do you suppose their life expectancy will be, once hostilities commence.

    2- if it’s a non-VLO aircraft, the F-35 will spot it first. If it’s a VLO aircraft, with a higher RCS than the F-35, the F-35 will spot it first.

    3. Unless they have first look, which isn’t a given, it’s not a given that they will have a speed advantage. It’s also unlikely that they’ll be taking BVR shots.

    4. There aren’t many scenarios where a foe will have numerical advantages, and the VLO fighter aided by ECM/EA will likely enjoy higher PKs than a non-stealthy aircraft.

    5. If the foe survives BVR, and merges, it will still have to deal with an agile fighter, with the ability to engage targets in all hemispheres, so it’s still not a given that a mission kill/kill will be the case.

    in reply to: counter stealth: the way forward for Europe? #2363352
    wrightwing
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    Well wasn’t the whole point of that argument to try and ‘disprove’ your earlier claim that a F35 loaded with two JDAMS and 2 AMRAAMs could outrun a clean Blk50?

    Why does the F16 now need to be carrying external stores?

    Had you said from that start that a F35 loaded with 2 JDAMS and 2 AMRAAMs would outrun a Blk50 with the same load, I don’t thing anyone would have disagreed.

    So which is it?

    Read what the other poster wrote. They were talking about drag, and how an F-16 had less. My response was that a similarly equipped F-16 would be far draggier. Now as far as the outrunning, it was USAF Lt. Col. Hank Griffiths that said he enjoyed outrunning clean F-16s in combat loaded F-35s, using dry thrust.

    in reply to: counter stealth: the way forward for Europe? #2363374
    wrightwing
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    Hey there smoker!
    Have you ever wonder why internal bombays are rare on supersonic AC:s?
    And external loads is used?
    Total RCS is the no 1 key factors for going fast, add a boxy aerodynamics to that does not help.
    A “clean” F-35 isnt “clean”, its a big box with a big engine to compensate for that.

    The first 2 mach birds, those are super “clean” when clean, adding a small tank and AAM did not suffer that much as a big boxy housing for bombs and fuel adds to the total RCS did in the first place. Thats why F-104, Mig-21 and Draken looks the way it does, and dont use internal loads, and internal Bomb was abandoned until F-22.

    Internal bombs isnt new, but only used in low-speed systems.

    Once you start hanging ordinance on these “clean” fighters, then that “boxy” F-35 has the aerodynamic advantage, both in straight lines and when turning.

    in reply to: counter stealth: the way forward for Europe? #2363391
    wrightwing
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    I already posted about the proportion of the F-135’s power available in military power relative to afterburner. Seems you clean ignored it since it shows up the stupidity of your argument.

    If the F-16s are using afterburners to keep up, what do you suppose would happen once the F-35 goes to afterburner as well? The F-16 gets a ~12k lb increase in afterburner(and it’s already struggling to keep up). The F-35 gets a 16-23+k lb increase in full afterburner.
    Now mind you, these are all static, uninstalled numbers, which further blurs things, as we don’t know the installed figures, or at which altitudes the respective motors will perform most advantageously.

    PS- if you’re wondering about the 23+k figure, check the link on the F-135 vs F-136 thread.

    in reply to: "Super Hornet better than Harrier, Tornado and Typhoon" #2363452
    wrightwing
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    It wouldn’t make sense not to integrate JDAMs. It’s a huge hindrance to only be able engage targets in clear weather, so the laser can designate.

    in reply to: F135 vs F136 #2363459
    wrightwing
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    Both the post you quoted that image from and the chart itself are from 2006 (note the date at the bottom of the chart: 23 January 2006, and the date of the post: 20 November 2006).

    Yes, this is a resurrected thread that had been dead for just over 4 years!

    You’re correct, however it wasn’t I that resurrected it, and as a result hadn’t checked the date closely.

    in reply to: "Super Hornet better than Harrier, Tornado and Typhoon" #2363470
    wrightwing
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    I’m certain you are clutching at straws.
    Medium level is only viable if you can suppress the air defence to allow it.
    When the Buccs were used to designate for the Tornados that had happened.
    Prior to that medium level was suicide. It still is until you suppress the air defence.
    The F35 as intended to be operated by the US will be supported by electronic warfare and intelligence assets to allow it to operate at medium level.
    Even when (if?) the F35 is operated by the UK we will not have the supporting cast the US will (need to) employ, so it is still not a viable tactic for the UK.
    The RAF will not be striking targets such as those in the first days of the Gulf conflict from medium level with LGBs anytime soon.

    The point of the F-35 is that it detect/engage targets from outside of their WEZs, which is why medium altitude is viable vs a Tornado, which can be seen from hundreds of miles away.

    in reply to: New F-22 thread #2363473
    wrightwing
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    Have heard rumours the b2 has been detected by tornado radars, this was back six seven years ago.

    At what range, and did they have RCS enhancers on?

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