Why shouldl PAK-FA be delayed? Compare the monetary and infrastruture resources available now to 90s? difference of light and day.

The SU-35 isn’t even done with its testing, much less operational, and the PAK FA hasn’t even flown at all. I suppose one can always be optimistic though.

Top fighter is MIG-31BM and than Su-34. Su-35 is export product when Sukhoi funded it from 2001 just like Sukhoi SSJ.

The SU-34 is much more a strike aircraft with defensive missiles, than a fighter. I certainly wouldn’t want to get into a WVR situation in a SU-34.

Sukhoi always tests its various subsysystems on other aircraft. Just because weopons are not shown officially it does not mean that they dont exist. No one other aircraft manufacturer can boost internal fuel capacity and FBW controlled 3D TVC like Su-35.

Sukhoi isn’t the only company that tests its subsystems in other aircraft. It is true that there may be weapons that exist, that haven’t been shown, but it is mere speculation. The SU-35 is a large aircraft, therefore it has more room for fuel than a smaller aircraft. Many aircraft have FBW(and had it before Sukhoi). If 3D TVC were deemed to be necessary, then you’d see other companies employing it. The trade offs in added weight, complexity, higher RCS negated any moderate benefit the 3D vs. 2D provided.

Su-34 is not delayed it was 4 times upgraded completely take into light the changine requirements.

So in other words it was delayed.

de·lay (dĭ-lā’) Pronunciation Key
v. de·layed, de·lay·ing, de·lays

v. tr.

To postpone until a later time; defer.

delayed

adjective
not as far along as normal in development

If sukhoi spends 10 years on some thing under no funding in 90s. Any other manufacturer will have to spend 100 years to achieve the same result.

:rolleyes:

Ok let me be more clear.
Long wave ground radars guide via data link, fighters equipped with AESA radars ( and very powerful digital signal possessors ) up to 100-120 km from F-35s. The AESA are turned on and with the help of DSP they track and should I say club 35s like baby seals.

A- Long wave radars, while having the best chance of spotting a low RCS aircraft, have significant limitations. They are large(most likely fixed sites, or relatively immobile sites), which will be high priority targets. They don’t have a high degree of accuracy due to the long wavelength(i.e. insufficient to identify/provide targetting info), and are limited in the number of available frequencies(making it easier to deal with by EA-6B, EA-18G, RC-135, etc…).

Bistatic systems have a better chance, but also have many of the same vulnerabilities(i.e. high priority targets).

B- Detection at 100+km is very optimistic.

Why do you people alway assume the 1 vs 1 scenario? No one fights like that anymore, ever heard of datalinks? When one fighter paints you with a radar you can never be sure that another one is not already sneaking into a firing position without emitting a single blip.

The F-35 will also be doing this though, and will have F-22s, F-15C+s, AWACS, etc… supporting. The simple point is that the stealthy plane is gonna be aware of the non-stealthy plane first, especially if it’s emitting. If the F-35 does its job right(i.e. sensible, and unpredictable flight plans with regards to threat emitters), its opponent won’t even know it’s there until things start exploding. I’m not trying to say any aircraft in invincible under every conceivable scenario, but were I piloting a conventional aircraft, I’d be more than a little nervous going up against a F-35/F-22.

U brought China that it can built 5th generation faster. when China hasnt developed anything on scale of Su-34.
J-10/LCA/EF/Rafale/Gripen are examples of delayed fighters for there intended role. while Su-34 is not as Sukhoi has claimed that it is completely immune to airdefence systems.
F-22 is not delayed program as there is atleast claim with that it can defeat all air threats. Su-34 is even more so that it has unlimited upgrade potential without changing aerodynamics and still doing Strike & ASW/EW platform.

No aircraft has unlimited upgrade potential. There are physical limits to every airframe, with regards to internal volume, payload, power generation/cooling, etc..

In that case Advantage: F35

In that case I admit you are right…:)

I suspect that in most situations the Flankers will have to rely on onboard sensors, and perhaps AWACS of some sort. If we’re talking about an A2A scenario, then the Flanker will most likely be on the offense(which means it won’t have ground based radar asset). The F-35 is always gonna know about the Flanker’s presence first in a 1 vs. 1 scenario. With the AIM-120D, it’s gonna be able to shoot first too. At close range it’ll have the AIM-9X/AIM-9X Blk 2 and HMS.

Not quite my friend. Not quite.

Fighters dont need to have their own radar always turned on.
Especially if they have “NNIIRT 1L119 Nebo SVUs” ground radars to guide them.

If they aren’t using their radar, then it doesn’t matter what the capability of the Irbis is. I suspect there will be situations where the NNIIRT 1L119 Nebo SVUs, won’t be available, and the Flanker will have to depend on it’s onboard sensors. The F-35 can still detect them first, which is what’s important. More importantly, they’ll get the first shot too.

One should always compare lemons with lemons, and oranges with oranges.

What example are you giving of Flankers eating F-15s for breakfast, if you’re not referring to Cope India? Late model F-15s are getting the features I mentioned.

Dont be so sure for that!
Ok F-35 with their low RCS will never be spotted as far as 200-250 km, but their adversaries dont actually need all that range.
Can you imagine for example, what will happen if F-35 can be spotted from 120km away? Say from a Irbis-E with Digital Signal Processing and Control.

Irbis can detect targets of .01 at 90km. The F-35s frontal RCS is lower than that, so perhaps you might get a solid lock at 30-50km if lucky. The F-35 will see the Su-35 at 220km with radar, and if the Flanker is emitting, will detect them much further away with their ESM/RWR systems. The AIM-120D can reach out to 180-200km in a head on engagement(though most shots will realistically be fired at shorter ranges to give a greater NEZ/PK). It would seem that the F-35 has a significant advantage here.