We’ve had this discussion a few months ago. The radar on the Su-27SM is probably just an mid-life upgrade of the original to the NOO1 and retaining the very same antenna.
As for the Russians only allowing the Russian military to possess the most advanced versions – the most advanced version of the MiG-29 serves with the Indian Navy, the most advanced Su-30 in the Indian and Malaysian AF.
You’ll probably get some circular logic telling you why that can’t be, since the RuAF “obviously” has the superior versions.
I suspect that not only do the Indians have the better versions, but their pilots are likely far better on average too.
By the way it’s .001m2 for the F-35 and. 0001m2 for the F-22. The F-35’s design is less complicated, which is why it is less expensive and less stealthy(but still very stealthy). As was alluded to already, the RAM is designed to be easier to maintain(but at the expense of absolute performance). This was always the plan(just to dispel the notion that LM inadvertantly screwed up the design, resulting in a less stealthy airframe). It also had to be exportable, which is one more reason for the different levels._
i presume the Typhoon will be able to launch at the F35 with ASRAAM and Meteor, and that the combined performance of Typhoon’s Helmet, agility and weaponry do not lead to an F35 victory.
In a 1 vs 1 fight, the F-35 would have the first shot advantage over a Typhoon. A Rafale/MICA IR would have better odds.
However, i don’t fly the things, and i am only offering my opinion based on what i have read. The AIM9X was a cop out that was rapidly developed once the US fell out of the ASRAAM though. It doesn’t mean you don’t have something better in development but its not as capable as ASRAAM (and ASRAAM isn’t even the best dogfighting missile out there).
There’s nothing about the -9X that’s a cop out. It’s a more agile missile than the ASRAAM. The ASRAAM has a longer range, but the overlap between the AMRAAM, makes up for the nominal advantages.
The Typhoon wouldn’t be able to detect the F-35 in time to fire a Meteor at a useful range first of all(certainly not before the F-35 had fired an AMRAAM). Secondly, the AIM-9X has nothing to do with a 1950’s missile. I would presume that the helmet sights are comparable.
Well assuming the target survived the AMRAAM, and both planes are WVR, the -9X compare very favorably, as it is the more agile of the 2 missiles. If the Typhoon can stay outside the- 9X’s range, and no AMRAAMs are available, then the ASRAAM has some advantages in range. It all comes down to philosophies and tactics. Of course the stealthier plane will have an easier time getting to(or avoiding) the merge.
Well Scooter,
I would suggest that F18 and F16 engagements against Typhoon would be slightly less exciting for the Teen series fighters.
And you have used the word superiority rather than dominance.
My point is that by blindly saying the F35 will be second only to the F22 (the only other US fighter worth considering apparently) you are elevating it to a level above that of air superiority (which is how the euro canard producers would define their A2A role).
I think air superiority is fine for the A2A F35, but there is no guarantee of superiority over european designs.
Only if you believe that raw performance will provide higher survivability/success, than stealth/higher situational awareness. As for the Teen series vs Typhoon, how many of these engagements, involved the use of JHMCS/AIM-9X?
You mean where most combat occurred 30-60 years ago i take it ?
rest assured no modern fighter, F-22 included, will default to subsonic.
At BVR the F-35 will fight supersonically, and at the merge all fighters will fight subsonically once they start having to maneuver.
That leads to quite absurd situations where US fans not only have to have the F-22 as the most advanced air superiority fighter in existence (which would be still quite logical to expect), they also need to have the F-35 in the same category – an aircraft that was never meant, nor designed for that..
This is patently false. A2A was always part of the equation, with regards to the F-35’s capabilities.
– how the F-22 enjoys kinematic advantage over Eurocanards by its M1.7 SC capability which alone grants the Raptor a safe kill
and at the same time
– how the kinematic advantage of the Eurocanads plays no role against the arguably slow and lazy F-35 because fights over M1.2 never occur, anyway.
You can repeat this mantra all you want, but it’s just not representative of reality. All the evidence points to the F-35 as not being a slow and lazy aircraft. It’s just designed to excel in the range where most combat occurs, and get to its max speed quickly.
Hmm, so you say that they accidentally designed the thing worse than it could be? Like have calculated the ideal angle for stealth being 46deg but applied 50deg just to make it less stealthy? 🙂
Regarding the price, well, it most likely won’t be cheaper. If you compare the latest figures, then the price difference between them is hardly worth the one engine that is missing plus slight effect of the economy in scale – if the planned procurement figures are realistic, at all..
It’s not a matter of detuning something, as building the best thing you can at a certain pricepoint. The shape isn’t the only thing involved.
Syria doesn’t have any Tor-M1, Iran have. Syria want to buy Pantsir-S1, which was not even in production in that time.
What state of the art Russian radar Syria have? Syria have only 1 radar 36D6, which is part of early models of S-300 from late seventies and early eighties and it could be still made in USSR, never versions have 64N6 radar. All other radars are older P series, Like P-12, P-18, … SAMs, which Syria have are SAM-2, SAM-3, SAM-5, SAM-6, SAM-8. SAM-11 and S-300 are on their wish list, but they don’t have them.
A Kuwaiti newspaper wrote that “Russian experts are studying why the two state-of-the art Russian-built radar systems in Syria did not detect the Israeli jets entering Syrian territory. Iran reportedly has asked the same question, since it is buying the same systems and might have paid for the Syrian acquisitions.”
I cannot resist a grin when I see how conveniently the author of the article recategorized the F-22 into “super-stealth” category just to be able to claim the F-35 as “also-stealth”. 😉
Boy, LM would do whatever it takes just to make the F-35 look good. You even need to make it longer, with greater wingspan, bigger tail, two engines and you got the F-22.. 🙂 Using the same logic you get an F-15 from Alpha Jet 🙂
My question is simple: if most fans claim that Russia or Europe can’t make a fighter as good as the F-22 because they lack knowledge and experience, then how come the LM is unable to design the F-35 more stealthy than the F-22? They got superior computing power than before, more experience than before, more advanced stealth techniques than before, more evolved coatings than before – but less steathy design in the end…
Because the F-35 had to be cheaper and exportable. The F-35 has always been stealthy, so I don’t even know why we’re having a discussion about that.
He stated this in the last thread:
“The F-35 will carry 6-AAM’s from Blk 5 on and is nearly the match of the F-22.”Sounds like at least almost equal to the F-22 wrt AA combat performance. The USAFs own simulations indicated a CLEAR advantage in AA for the F-22 over the F-35. So nearly a match or as good as is hardly true, whether the F-35 is better or not than other aircraft is not of concern here.
Subsonically. Supersonically, the F-22 has large advantages.
Nonsense. Tor was not even operational, or around the area when the strike was performed.
Not operational in Syria, or not operational in general? If you’re saying the latter, you may want to recheck when the IOC date was vs when the attack was.
It has absolutely no IRST, yet is is superior in EVERYTHING to the Typhoon.
Yes it is a much more advanced aircraft in most ways, but such utter disregard for other airframes as well as this aura of Raptor invincibility…
Hmm. Potent cool aid.
The IRST is the only advantage the Typhoon has. Take away the Raptor’s stealth, and give the Typhoon Meteors. Now that would make for a good fight.
You may want to use google which will, bring up such articles as” Why the Syrian air defenses didn’t detect the Israelis,” from Aviation Week(author David Fulghum). It wasn’t SA-2-SA-6, that were jammed/hacked. It was new state of the art Russian radars, and likely Tor M1 SAMs.