If you were intelligent, however, you’d post some meaningful comparison of onboard systems. I don’t have my life to waste on digging up every last detail of every component from scratch. Instead, I’ll take the word of Russian AF officials over some forum posters… :rolleyes:

Ok, since you brought it up, would you be so kind as to do a comparison between the respective systems? :rolleyes:

You are way off on this one wrightwing.
I’ve never heard of this, and there is not much stuff on the net eighter to support this.

Do you have any usefull links on the matter?

One would perhaps gain a better search resolution and a wider search pattern.. but how exactly would it double or tripple the search/track range by flying side-by-side:confused:

You still would need more apparture power to the transmitter to boost/increase the range.
You don’t get any higher maximum peak power eighter..

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The problem wasn’t the power or gain, but the aperture size of a single F-14’s radar.

Some of these radar capabilities are manufacturer release data under a veil of national security, it is my contention they are figurative expressions since it is demonstrated actual multiple engagement capabilities of sparrow are single targets at a time, same with initial amraams but the newer models can launch on two targets if they are to receive course updates from the launch aircraft.

It’d be helpful if we left out disengenuous comments. The 6 target capability was with AIM-54s, not Sparrows. Every AMRAAM model, from A-D has had multi-target capability.

Newer model amraams though can be launched on up to two separate targets under launch aircraft direction which has something to do with their datalinking software.

This isn’t accurate either. Theoretically, if an F-15 was carrying 8 AMRAAMs, it could engage 8 targets simultaneously. Of course this wouldn’t be the likely situation. More often than not, you’d have more than 1 missile fired at a single target to help improve the probability of a kill(and this is true with Russian planes too).

No sparrow or early amraams can do this. I’d find it unlikely 70s datalinking tech on the AIM-54 would be much different to an early series amraam, but it is possible I guess due to their sheer size, I would guess a maximum of two simultaneous aircraft direction launches (datalinking) at the end of their service life when the better Tomcat radar was being equipped. But I don’t think even that’s the case, it’s been explained to me before the AIM-54 uses straight SARH instead of datalink mid flight, which puts it back to sparrow territory until the seeker goes active.

More inaccurate commentary- F-14s early on demonstrated firing 6 Phoenix missiles at 6 targets. Early AMRAAMs had multi-target capability too. The Sparrow never had multi-target capability.

The AIM-120D is at the same stage because the R-37 is being fitted at this moment to modernized MiG-31 which means it is entering operational state as we speak.

So you’re saying that R-37s are currently being bought, and fielded, because unless this is the case(and I’ve seen no evidence that would lead me to believe it is), then your statement is inaccurate. Production -120Ds are currently being bought, and fielded.

Now would it make any different if the F-15 got the new AN/APG-63(V)3 AESA radar And Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System?

The new radar have quite improved resolution and jamming resistance, perhaps get tracking on that Mig-31 a little earlier on.
But with no new missiles with better range its not getting any lock-on earlier soo..

Whats it gonna be?

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No new missiles aside from AIM-120D? Until the R-37’s available, then the F-15 would enjoy the advantage in that scenario, but again this discussion is about 80s weapons and radars.

Well that’s great, but neither the KS-172 nor the R-37 are in service. So, what does that have to do with a 1980s engagement?

the 2010`s MiG-31 can carry 8 to 10 long range missiles, 6 R-37s and 4 R-77s or 4 R-33s and 4 R-77s, the current long range missiles for the MiG-31 current modernization are of more than 200km of range, it also has the same high speed ability, the MiG-31 is a far better BVR fighter

Let’s not exaggerate. The Mig-31 can carry 6 long range missiles. It can’t carry 10. As for 200km range of missiles, that’s if the target flies right into the missile, at its ballistic range. Against an agile fighter, you can probably take 25-50% of that range as being more realistic, and that’s not taking ECM, etc.. into account.

depending in the period. if it is 1980s the MiG-31 carried 4 R-33s and 2 R-40s, the F-15 4 AIM-7s and 4 AIM-9s; 1990-2008 the MiG-31 was the same the F-15 was usually 4 AIM-120s 4 AIM-9s.
The F-15 was designed to dogfight so it needs its 4 AIM-9s.
Now in 2010 the MiG-31 can carry operationally ( because it could carry that same weapons load since the MiG-31M) 6 R-37s and 4 R-77s or 4 R-33s and 4 R-77s.
The MiG-31 is designed as a home defence fighter to patrol long distances or a command aircraft so it won`t do the Flanker`s job, the Flanker can carry 8 BVR missiles and 2 short range AAMs.

The typical loadout for F-15s these days is 6 -120s, and 2 -9Xs.