Real aircraft, real aircraft is what matters, and i was talking about it, check the previous post that i was replying to

A plane by definition is not static, how the pole thing will be useful? , i don’t know, but i’m willing to bet both tests results will be completelly different.

It’s useful because an accurate model of the RCS from every angle can be tested and verified. Then the onboard systems can be programmed so that they know this info, and can let the pilot know the probability of detection from various angles against various emitters, so that he can optimize his route, to maintain maximum stealthiness.

If 16G is the maximum limit for the missile, then it is not particularly agile.

Exactly. It would only require a little over 5Gs for a fighter to dodge that missile, and that’s not even taking into account ECM. The R-33 is much more suited for taking out bombers and cruise missiles, than aggressively manuevering fighters.

An advantage for the MiG-31 is it carries 4 R-33s and 2 R-40s or R-77s, while the F-15 only 4 AIM-120s or AIM-7s, this means more BVR missiles
the current MiG-31 modernization should leave the F-15 in total disadvantage….

There were no AMRAAMs in the period being discussed, but if we’re talking about current F-15s, then they can carry 8 AIM-120s(though they normally carry 6 plus 2 AIM-9X.

but rest assured the AIM-7M is less than 15km.

Not at high altitude vs. a closing target.

TWC Yes agreed.
But to what end?

In my opinion the last thing F-15SE need is a cost per aircraft that puts it above or in the same spot as F-35s..

Thanks

It’s too late for that. An SE will come in ~$100+ million/aircraft.

Oh God…

Guess this is based on the ‘first saw, first shot, first bull$hit’ crap right?

Neither the EF, the Pakfa or the F-22 are meant to do early warning duties, probably your video game says otherwise.

Targets are given to fighters, they don’t look for them.

You’re correct, however at some point in time the fighter will need to acquire on it’s own, unless you plan on continuing to the merge, rather than engaging at BVR distances. A Typhoon with external stores is going to be detected before a stealthy fighter with internal stores more often than not.:rolleyes:

jdsgn and jessmo, you two are very naughty boys but i wont rise to the bait.

if typhoon and meteor are covert to the point where they are ready to fire, won’t they be using the same tactics as an f35 or t50?

no radar on, getting updates from other aircraft and sensors and relying on their own passive sensors…

The T-50 will have the first see advantage over a Typhoon, even if the Typhoon is EMCON. That’s the difference.

Silly, how’s the attack a/c gonna get to it’s target if it is forced to fly in a given direction to minimize RCS ? the whole reasoning is embarrassing.

That’s the fallacy. It’s not forced to fly in a very limited set of parameters. Additionally, part of the situational awareness built in, is that the pilot knows his relative vulnerability to emitters, so that he is able to maximize his strengths, while mitigating risks.