LM presentaiton that was in Janes…Oh so that’s ok then :rolleyes:

Well since neither of those are reputable sources, who would you consider a reputable source to find out about aircraft? Are you as dogmatic with regards to competitor manufacturers, and if so, could you point me to some of your critiques? This way I’ll see how unbiased and objective you are.

If the likes of you stuck to posting real facts and progress rather than trying to tell the World how superb the damn thing is when it isn’t even in real production yet and less than good things are coming out about the program then as i said previously i’d have nothing to say.

Could you cite some examples of these less than good things, since the manufacturer doesn’t have an inkling about the “actual” performance?

It is arrogant people like you who think they can dictate to others what to think that cause me to comment.

Pot…..this is Kettle….

Who’s dictating? You’re the one being dismissive of data that doesn’t meet your approval.

The ~60m price for the F-35 that LM floating of late is for LRIP-4 F-35A’s. Depending upon who you want to believe, this price is accurate or totally misleading – the ~60m may be what LM refers to as the “air system contractor” unit flyaway costs – which does not include the engine.

That’s not true. That includes a fully equipped aircraft w/ engine.

Probably in the neighborhood of $70-80 million.

where greater measures were taken to prevent collateral damage.

Once again- the point of my statement. Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia would not meet this criteria.

You sir are the one being disingenous, simply focusing on one area of the package it is relatively easy to claim youir beliefs as fact.
Try looking at the overall package, the picture isn’t so rosy.

I posted earlier in the thread a report on the Dutch potentially stepping out of the testing program…now why would they be looking to do that if everything was so hunky dory :rolleyes:

Seems like fairly good evidence to me. Your definition of evidence appears to be anything which you believe supports your beliefs with the exclusion of anything which doesn’t 😉

So the Dutch not buying a test aircraft due to Parliamentary issues, means things are going poorly with the test program? That’s by no means conclusive evidence of anything regarding the aircraft itself.

There are some indisputable facts surrounding the F-35 / JSF program. According to publicly available data, the program / aircraft will cost significantly more than envisioned, and the program is running behind it’s original schedule by several years.

How well the aircraft actually performs will be discovered in flight test. According to publicly available data to date, the aircraft is performing as predicted, although the testing is still in early stages and will last for several more years.

CAPE data?:rolleyes:

Sorry to break it to you but a unguided rocket like the S-13 is cheaper than an SDB and for CAS is arguably better suited since you really can send it right through the guys window. Even a guided version of the same rocket will be cheaper than your fancy SDB.

The rockets may be cheaper, but how much is the aircraft and pilot worth? There’s no comparison in how close you have to get to defenses to engage with rockets vs. being able to avoid most threats, and use an SDB. Additionally, the SDB allows you to engage much more hardened targets than rockets could handle.