Well UAVs already carry Hellfire missiles, but I’m not sure whether they can currently carry SDBs. A UAV can’t carry nearly the same load as an F-15, nor can it strike with the strategic depth, though.
Strike Eagle isn’t designed to be used in such a matter, so it has to rely on smart munition while staying high and far away.
This is a drawback how exactly? Why would you fly a riskier profile, when you can accomplish the same thing with higher survivability flying higher, and further away.
Here we come to the point Paralay was making – weak enemy vs. strong enemy. I mean, could you use a SDB from 100+ km against an enemy with strong air defense?
Yes, and yes. A lone F-15E won’t be attacking any target. It’ll be part of a strike package, with multiple strikers, SEAD/DEAD support, jammers, etc….
SDBs are considerably cheaper than SAMs, and can be fielded in much greater numbers.
How long these F-15E’s will last?
Against what, and under what circumstances?
How effective will it be against military targets?
Very effective against any target that doesn’t require a bigger weapon to ensure destruction.
Are you kidding? How many innocent civilians have been killed in the last 10 years in Iraq and Afghanistan? Your point about allegedly US concern for civilians well being and the lack of such by the Russians is pure rubbish, to say it politely.
How many were killed by US forces vs. insurgents, terrorists? How many more might’ve been killed had unguided weapons been used? Cite one source from any conflict in history, where greater measures were taken to prevent collateral damage.
You can only drop one bomb at a time for each dispersed target, as the a/c act as a thrower. And that’s only after a positive ID has been made, and confirmed,
unlikely at 100 km unless blues has special forces 50 m from target, demanding an careful approach.
UAV, SAR, etc….?
The small bomb is a step in the right direction, troops are calling for even smaller blast.
But the ‘glide 100 km’ is totally impractible, by that time whoever was spotted had time to finish the dinner, clean the plates and walk away. It can also easily be some glitch with it, causing it to glide into blue forces,
there are likely some strict rules on attack direction and range.
You’re assuming that the SDB will be detected at 100km. It doesn’t matter how far away the bomb is dropped, if there’s a glitch. It could’ve been dropped from 5km, and accidently hit the wrong target too.
Yeah! Welcome to the 21st century! F-15E taken down by decent long range SAM system. Or SDB shot down by point-defense missile system! :rolleyes:
What do you suppose the PK is against a large number of incoming SDBs? 100%, 75%, 50%, etc…..? At some point in time, SAM sites will have to reload, move, etc…, and how effectively can the SAM be fired while moving(or can it).
Su-34 can carry 48 FAB-100 bombs. How many SDB’s F-15E can carry?
PPS
How many separate targets can an Su-34 hit in a single pass/sortie vs. an F-15E?:cool:
No Russian would ever look at the use of SDB’s as a good thing. The Russian mindset is the bigger the nastier the bomb the better. A 250 pound toy is very un-Russian. The very idea leaves a bad taste in my Russian mouth.
Well I suppose if you’re not particularly concerned about the number of sorties it takes to accomplish a mission, airframe/aircrew being put at risk, attacking targets in close proximity to friendlies(or other sensitive) areas, then a huge, nasty bomb might leave a better taste in your mouth.
They used them in Afghanistan to…..wipe out entire villages with one bomb just for giggles.
Impressive:rolleyes:
PAC-3 missile main objective is to destroy enemy ballistic missiles, not to intercept fighters.
That is the main mission, but not the only mission.
Are you sure Su-34 has nothing comparable? Do they drop Molotov cocktails on their enemy and use Makarov pistols to shot down hostile jets?
It doesn’t have anything comparable to SDBs, JSOW, or JASSM, and I’d be curious to see the CEP comparisons between Russian PGMs and their US counterparts. Also, how many types of GPS/Glonass guided PGMs are currently fielded?
And? Doesn’t stop it from being used against an aircraft, and yes it’s been tested against them.
It was unfortunately very effective against an F-18 and a Tornado.
Well a quick Google search yielded these results for anyone looking to inform themselves-
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4669588
Further testing, according to Lockheed, will gradually expand the flight envelope out to the aircraft’s top speed of Mach 1.6 – a speed the aircraft is designed to reach while carrying a full internal weapons load of more than 3,000 pounds.
And that’s the B variant even.
http://www.livescience.com/technology/081107-f-35-fighter-jets.html
While supersonically the F-35 is limited to a seemingly unimpressive Mach 1.6 in level flight, Davis explains that the JSF is optimized for exceptional subsonic to supersonic acceleration. Transonic acceleration is much more relevant to a fighter pilot than the absolute max speed of the jet, Davis said….. Beesley said that in terms of supersonic flight that the F-35 is still more than competitive with existing designs.
Now consider that the 240-3 is ~3000lbs heavier than the A model, much less a B or C model, which can reach M1.6 with a full internal load. Now ask yourself if it’s so implausible.
Being able to simultaneously do everything is completely almost completely useless, as it’s not realistic.
It’s realistic if you have simultaneous ground and air threats.
Ok, let’s compare. Can’t wait to see your absolutely awesome, objective list!
Well considering the Su-34 has nothing comparable to SDBs, or 5000lb bunker busters, not to mention carrying JSOW, JASSM, AGM-130, a wide variety of JDAMs, LGBs, CBU, AGM-65, AIM-9X w/ JHMCS, AIM-120, etc…
Typical response of someone pressed on the wall with no arguments left.
Typical response for when I know info has been posted before, and the other person is too lazy to use the search function.
Well the F-15E can ferry 5745km without aerial refueling. The Su-34 can ferry 6000km with 2 aerial refuelings. Now let’s compare the variety of weapons that the 2 aircraft can carry…..:eek:
Once the Es get the AESAs installed, they’ll have superior capabilities in simultaneous A2A/A2G, as well as EA, etc…
The F-35 will be more flexible and more survivable than the aircraft it replaces. The pilots who’ve flown it have all had very favorable remarks. Its flyaway costs are very competitive with the 4.5 gen alternatives. I’d suggest that it’s you that needs to provide some evidence that the plane is a dog.
Actually WW it’s your job to provide those sources, if you disagree with this one…I’ve provided mine and the guy that wrote the article didn’t made this up, but he got that from LM’s PR office.
So, can you or can’t you provide a source which unambiguously confirms, what you have been chanting here??
There’ve been numerous posts on this topic before. I’m not going to spend the effort to go look for those links everytime this debate comes up.:p
Moreover, the speed has been given in Mach Number and MPH figure has been added in parenthesis and is obviously wrong (well except if the F35 can do M1.6 as SL).
Are you sure you wanna go this road?
You’re correct that there is an error, but it’s with the Mach number.:cool: