What’s the relative body lift of each of these fighters for comparison purposes? Wing loading doesn’t factor that in. What’s the level of instability?
What’s the effect of having additional weight further outboard? How much drag does 2-3 EFTs, 6-8 AAMs, or 2 2k lb A2G weapons add? etc, etc….
Any advantages are going to be marginal when combat loads are added.
If you’d bother looking at other sources which credit the F-35 with a combat speed of M1.6 w/ 5500lb load(but weigh ~3000lbs less than the variant mentioned in that article, which says merely that 2 AMRAAMs would be carried, not that 2 JDAMS would not be carried), rather than trying to cherry pick information when it suits you, you’d be surprised at what can be inferred. Additionally, if you want to get really nitpicky, the F-35 is credited with a speed of 1200mph, which at altitude works out to M1.8. Suffice it to say, M1.6 isn’t the maximum, whatever that number really turns out to be.
To be more precise M1.67 with 5500lbs of ordinance(2 JDAMS and 2 AMRAAMS).
With regards to max load, it gets closer with regards to wing load.
But none in his right mind will keep 3+ cruise missiles strapped on when entering an A2A fight, and then there is ~4 A2A missiles to add to the weight,
which may add what ? 10 kg/m^2 ?
A long distance going from 326 to 450 kg/m^2
By your standard of comparison, an F-4 should turn circles around an F-16, and hang pretty close with an F-22. Wingloading is only one of many things that have to be looked at, and is most certainly not the most important indicator of aircraft handling.
Not at all, stability has a significant impact on turning performance, but neither F-16 or F-35 has anything over contemporary fighters these days,
on the contrary with regards to euro delta canards, they are at a severe disadvantage.
And that is with regards to either instability and/or wing loading, let alone both.
Not necessarily. The Euro Canards when carrying heavy loads won’t be nearly as agile as one in an airshow configuration. Their superiority in that regard to a clean F-16 will be far less dramatic, and the F-35 with a combat load will perform better than a clean F-16. This means that there won’t be nearly as much difference in combat configuration.
Well pfcem, this is for all YOU know.
Funny thing is LM thinks differently and is explicit on M1.67.
Combat loaded with a pre-weight reduction representative aircraft, to be more precise.
The Su-34 doesn’t really need the multi-mode capability as its a dedicated strike platform.
Which is fine, but if flexibility is a metric being compared between the 2 aircraft, then the F-15 wins.
What would happen if the SAM sites had plasma stealth too?:cool:
The radar itself is ready to go. It’s just a matter of the installation, but I’m not sure how soon the first units will reach IOC.
What’s the antenna size on the Su-34? My guess is that the system with better gain, and signal processing will come out on top. The AESA array will allow for more simultaneous modes of operation.
I was thinking…
…why not the Boeing F-15SE Silent Eagle as a possible alternative?
Because that costs more than an F-35, and isn’t VLO.
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Really? Show me these statements from Northrop and Lockheed. I would like to see them.
I would love to see them. Those are typically the statements one might see on airshow videos on youtube.
Su-30MKI / Su-34 / F-15E / F-111
How about comparing an APG-82 equipped F-15E w/ JHMCS, etc…. rather than a 90s tech model(especially seeing as how there’ll be several hunded example in that configuration vs. ~48 Su-34s.)
Truly, with all respect, comparing a speculative block5 F-35A (maybe 2020 IOC at best?), vs an already operational block 60 is not the most rational of X vs Y comparisons. imho.
Why not compare a blk2 F-35A (which is what you’d buy today) with the blk60?
But if one insists on speculating on the blk5 F-35 system, then perhaps it’s more worthy conjecturing on a block 75+ F-16, which could be operational by 2020?
Yet price wise, you might have to contemplate a 2v1 scenario in all fairness, due to probably affording 2x F-16s vs 1x LRIP block2 unit.
So when comparing today’s available apples vs apples blocks, one would obviously have to go with a block 60 by mere fact that it is cleared for various weapons, pods and ext tanks which the block 2 is not yet cleared for.
In comparing a 2020’ish speculative blk5 vs speculative block 75+ F-16 though… before making any rational assessments one would of course have to first outline the design specs of your block 75+! (something LMT could probably brief you on as a hypothetical concept only, but then kill you)
Cheers-
You couldn’t get 2 Block 60(or 75) F-16s for the price of an F-35A though, and the F-16 will always be at a disadvantage RCS wise.
The dual chin pods had a lot to do with the speed limit too.
Is still limited, because to achieve higher ranges of speed you need a different shape, so is your choice
1) dissemble the ‘DSI’ stuffing another ‘DSI’ with different shape
2) Install variable inlet
Let’s put it clearer since you are trying to sneak into arguments to believe your fairy tales
And engine that is not producing significantly more thrust after M1.3 will produce thrust to M1.5 with a special designed inlet for the M1.3-1.5 ranges (which is the DSI thingie)
The F-35 could be designed for these parameters, while other planes ‘DSI’s could be designed for other parameters.
Granted there will be a number of factors which limit the speed, but in the F-35’s case, the inlets aren’t the single point of failure limiting the speed to X knots.