I notice the comparison of sweep angles normally omits the F-18, when trying to show comparisons of the F-35 to other aircraft.
UAE hasn’t just placed an order and waited up until LM develops what they asked for. On the contrary, Emirs have paid the development from their own pockets. A big difference..
At the times UAE have placed the order, the APG-80, too, was not available. It’s Emiri money that made the APG-80 happen. It’s a tribute to F-16 and Mirage 2000 that UAE found it worthy to pay for newer versions – but let’s be serious, every other major aerospace company could have achieved the same or similar under that circumstances.
But the APG-63(v)2, APG-77, APG-79, APQ-181 existed, and no other aerospace company was as close to having a functioning AESA radar. They weren’t sitting on the technology waiting for an investor. They were having to catch up.
The whole problem can summorized in one single sentence:
CRITICAL MACH NUMBER.
Primarily determined by wing sweep, but also by thickness/cord ratio and area ruleing.
NONE of these where optimized for supersonic on F-35, on the contrary.
F-16 have a wingsweep of 40*
F-22 42*
Rafale 48*
YF-22 48*
Typhoon 53*
Mirage 2000 58*
Su-27 42*
MiG-29 40*
F-35 is 33*
Gripen is 43*
F-15 is 45*Drag peak out at ~M1.05 for F-16, and transonic zone ends at ~M1.15.
It goes without saying that every fighter in this comparison does better then F-35, which will in all likelyhood start struggle with transonic even before M0.8, and continue doing so to ~M1.2.
http://history.nasa.gov/SP-367/chapt5.htm transonic
ps: pardon if being incoherent on a friday night.
What’s the sweep angle on an F-18?
Even the F-22A traded its supercruise capability for a better endurance and related tactical freedom in general, because high-up the ordinary strikers are not to find, that situation was limited to a former Central Europe scenario to engage high-performance fighters high up operating close or behind the own SAM-belt.
There are other advantages of supercruising w/o afterburners though- minimizing IR signature, while increasing weapon kinematics. It also makes the envelopes of approaching weapons smaller when it’s not a head on shot.
The A10 is really a impressive cas aircraft and the sound of the gun is amazing.
But the disadvantages of the gun are clear, it use an electric motor and you have to bring the six barrels to speed before you can shoot. Beside that its really heavy due to the electric motor.
Also it lack in rpm in comparison to its counterparts GSh-6-30, GSh-6-23 (more then two times more rpm)
Sorry but the gun is really not that amazing …
RPM is only one means of comparison. Accuracy, range, and terminal effects are more important considerations.
The A-10 will be in service till 2025-2030, so it not as if F-35s will be used in the same manner.
Regarding maturity, recent Polish experience with F-16 has not exactly persuaded me that older design automatically means mature or proven.
I was referring to the avionics, not the airframe. A rich nation ordering them sooner wouldn’t have changed the fact that the technology wasn’t yet available.
The typical reason given is that LM says that it doesn’t(however LM uses M1.5 as their threshold as opposed to >M1 like everyone else uses). I don’t think that it’s unreasonable to assume that the F-35 can exceed M1 on dry thrust, considering that it can reach M.95 at ~40% throttle.
By production status, I meant with regards to maturity, not that anyone was ordering them.
Sure.. If UAE has opted for a new F-16 version just five years earlier than they did, the Block 60 would not have APG-80 today but some hypothetical APG-68(V)12.
It is a question of money, not capability. If today Egypt said they wanted a new MiG-35 and financed the whole program, you would be having series 35s with AESA radar of whatever type you choose in 3-4 years.
No rich vendor = no new version.
What you’d have is an entirely different aircraft with the same name though. The Russians could’ve skipped -29 and gone straight to -35 when the first Fulcrums came out, but it wouldn’t be the same aircraft. Even the systems that are on the demonstrator model aren’t in production status yet, much less having anything comparable years ago.
It would, just not in the form as we know it today, but much closer to MiG-29M2 (with Zhuk-ME or maybe MFE PESA). Malaysia was a possible territory once but they opted for the MKM instead.
That’s like saying the Blk 60 F-16 could’ve been available years earlier, except that it wouldn’t have had many of the features that it does.
How about a comparison of a typical USAF F-16 vs. a typical Mig-29 in any other air force?
I think you’re misunderstanding what they meant by “fly” though. Fly in the context they’re using means “in combat.” The number of steps to conduct an A2A engagement in the Fulcrum due to the cockpit layout(not to mention the reduction in situational awareness due to having to spend more time looking down) made it a far more taxing plane to fight with. If it survived a BVR engagement, then yes it was very effective close in, which is why an astute opponent wouldn’t let the Fulcrum pilot dictate the terms of engagement.
So the notion that the old Mig-29 was difficult to is a Western propogated myth at the same time the Mig-29 did not perform any thing other then pure AD role.
It was propogated by folks that had flown Western aircraft as well, and were used to the ergonomic advantages. Why do you think the newer Russian designs are putting so much effort into more ergonomic cockpits, and FCS? If there wasn’t any disadvantages to the way they had done things in the past, there wouldn’t be the need to correct the deficiencies.
That all depends on whose numbers are more accurate though. Some are more than happy to believe that the worst case scenario is what best represents reality. They have a pathological hatred for the F-35, and feel that LM operates completely differently than any other manufacturer, the rest of whom deliver aircraft on time and under budget.