The JSM’s range is 100nm+, and the JSOW-ER/JASSM-ER allow targets 300-600nm away to be targeted.

em745 , the Dassault Rafale is not a stealth aircraft and was never intended to be .

Its RCS from up front and clean is 0.1m2 ( 10 times less than a clean M2000 , data from Dassault) .
A Rafale with 6 Micas and a supersonic central fuel tank has a RCS of less than 1m2 .

Do you have a source for this?

A F-16 with a similar load is having a RCS of 6m2 , a F-15 18m2 , a SU-27 16m2 .

Those numbers are a bit high on the F-15 and F-16, and very optimistic for an Su-27 which has a higher RCS than an F-15.

The SH ~whatever some say~ has a bigger RCS , around 2m2 clean .

Source? The SH is generally given a ~.1m^2 frontal RCS, so how is its RCS going to be higher when armed, than an Rafale? Do the MICAs and EFT have lower RCS than AIM-120s?

You’d have to have real time updates(and it’s highly likely that there’d be GPS denial/degradation should missiles be fired), and a manueverable warhead w/ sensors (that could ID specific ships/parts of ship to target). Even then you’d need to fire enough to overwhelm the various AEGIS cruisers and destroyers that are pickets.

Quoted for a test-example only, the ordinary performance envelope is lower. 😉

Not according to the users or the manufacturer.:cool:

:confused: was this in response to my original post?!?!? Has someone asked the same questions – have I stumbled on to a touchy subject (on some of the other forums I have been on the moderators let you know not to ask certain questions as they start flame wars).

Of course it’s best if we never have to find out whether stealth/counter-stealth works as advertised.

You mean the 0.3 m2 that russians give for the F-22? then i guess yes…

I don’t get how a obese and conventional airframe/program as the Raptor got such incredible credibility

Must be, because all that marketing around it.

Or it could be based upon how it’s performed against other aircraft, and on calibrated test ranges.:eek:

I’m somewhat skeptical of how effective a ballistic missile(with a conventional warhead) would be against a moving target, hundreds of nautical miles away, as the CVBG would be 200-400nm off shore.

Years later , it was more complicated over Serbia for the B2 and F-117 with the known results .

Cheers .

1 lost F-117. The thing to bear in mind though is that F-22s and F-35s are faster, more agile, stealthier, and have far more situational awareness(and defensive countermeasures) than did F-117s, and have better stand off weapons as well.