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Hi Kev, that is a very good idea. I hope it flies.
F-135 may have (remains to be proven) a lower IR signature in dry thrust at similar power setting, but it defenitely won’t have it in AB, where the bypassed air is used as oxydiser for the afterburner.
No, the bypass air is mixed with the core air before the reheat burner. The flame front is in the centre of the pipe.
700 kts is not M1.6, it’s hardly M1.2.. I was talking about max. speed…
Be careful with the statement. 700 kts is about Mn 1.06 at sea-level and about 1.22 at 35,000 ft+.
thing is, you can’t compare the bypass ratio of a turbofan, where the bypass is, basically, the air “pushed” by the “fan”, going around the core of the engine and out and the J58 which is a jet engine embedded inside a nacelle with most of the air completely bypassing, used to cool it and, most of all, used as a flow for a “ramjet like” functioning.
the SR-71 propulsion system is more like two engines in one, rather than a single engine with a defined bypass ratio
Nice try, I see you have looked up the specs. I was just pointing out that a propulsion system is tailored to suit it’s needs. Bypass ratio is dependent on requirements. Very high bypass ratio engines are continually used at high altitudes, reliably, economically and with large thrust. The RR Trent can deliver over 90,000lbs of thrust SLS without reheat! I wonder, why they don’t fit those to the JSF?
Ideas?
can you explain your reason in more detail?
i think J58 is turbojet engine rather than turbofan engine, there is no air go to fan section there.
Anyway this is a very informative video on SR-71 engine https://youtu.be/F3ao5SCedIk
Sure. There is an effect called ‘ram effect’ or ‘ram recovery’. It’s well known obviously, most people understand how a ram jet works, it’s the same basic working.
An intake is built to do a number things.
1. To provide enough air for the engine
2. To ensure the air-flow is presented in a stable condition
3. To slow the air-flow down below the speed of sound and effect a pressure rise.
A simple pitot intake is a divergent duct that slows down the air-flow and builds up the pressure
Variable geometry intakes do this by varying the type of duct dependent on the speed. Convergent when the air-flow is supersonic to transsonic and divergent from transsonic to subsonic.
The pressure rising also increases the total pressure ratio (PR) of the air that enters the engine’s combustion chamber. A typical example:
When Concorde was cruising at Mn2.0, the VG intake would slow the air down to subsonic (about Mn0.3-0.4) and build up the PR to 6:1. The engine compressor was delivering a PR of about 10:1. Total pressure ratio being 6 x 10, 60:1. The thermal efficiency (amount of heat turned into work) is better when the PR is higher. Said a/c had a thermal effiency of 47% when cruising, when it was static and running with 10:1 PR it was less.
Your second point is correct. USA does indicate rather easily what kind of engine it is. J=jet TF=fan T= turboprop. As I said though, most of the air was bypassed around the engine at dash speed (cruising Mn3.2).
What I do find strange with some of the knowledgable here is that they all insist that high by-pass ratios (fan engines) work poorly at high speed and altitude.
The A12/SR71 series of a/c flew regularly at Mn 3+ with a very high bypass ratio. The core engine provided 15% of the total thrust at that speed…………..
going faster is inefficient in term of fuel use, that what it mean, an F-22*at supersonic wont use less fuel than a f-22* at subsonic.
Anyway, that isn’t where i focused my point. What iam trying to say is object move fast will have higher IR signature, and that a disadvantage of going fast
But it is still an incorrect term. Going faster is more efficient but uses more fuel….
get it from here
http://csbaonline.org/publications/2015/04/trends-in-air-to-air-combat-implications-for-future-air-superiority/
i think supersonic speed create higher IR signature simply due to friction
Well they do warm up. Sustained supersonic speeds do heat it up somewhat.
@mig-31bm.
I don’t know where you got that last piece from but it is incorrect.
Supersonic flight need not be inefficient compared to subsonic. In fact the thermal efficiency is generally increased by the higher total pressure ratio.
They do use more fuel at higher speeds due to the drag law.
Just because it is written doesn’t make it true..
The Vulcan operations were better than one of the first suggestions after the invasion, ‘making a rather loud bang in the South Atlantic’.
This was made by some of the military top.
didn’t they solve twisting problems with new material?
Yes, they built the wings out of composite materials. It was also the way the fibre is layed (cross-laying to make use of it’s tensile strength in multi directional planes).
Aerolastic twisting of the mainplane is high. The X29 was a technology demonstrator built with composite materials to better withstand the twisting moment and keep the weight within limits..
Sweep forward would mean more weight and lower fatigue life.
Seeing as the twin booms are less deep, I’m sure the second moment of inertia will play it’s part. They would have to be heavier to withstand any undue bending moment and flutter. Roll inertia would be higher as well.
@ Flanker_man. That is correct. The DH a/c were built twin boomed to reduce engine skin frictional losses. Why the Vixen was twin boomed and fitted with 200 series Avons is a good question. The Avon was more powerful than the Goblins and Nenes.
I’m sure someone can tell us how much better this will perform. As a percentage of course……..