No their not.

To suggest that gun owners of the time should carry on regardless as another “hungerford” or “dunblane” may never happen is really quite a bit wide of the mark , that standpoint is as irresponsible today as it was then.
The vast majority of the affected gun owners were just having fun , it was a hobby – a bit of fun no more no less and in every gun club up and down the country there would have been members who owned powerful guns that had easily identifiable mental heatlth issues , people you would have been afraid to think owned a pair of nail clippers let alone a gun, everyone knew it and that one of the reasons most owners didnt create a fuss and simply handed in their guns and took the govts cash.
The act of preventing another masssacre far far outweighed the desires of a few minority hobbyists/sports enthusiasts.

How do you know there would have been any more killings without the ban?:rolleyes:

The ban was put in place as a preventative measure to ensure a certain type of incident could never be repeated , and the what ifs and maybes are mute points.

How can you be so confused, the number if illegal guns in the UK has risen year on year since the introduction of the ban, thus the ban has not worked. It realy is very simple.

Er No !
The number of ilegally held “guns” would have increased anyway .

The imposed bans following Hungerford and Dunblane were 100% sucessful in that there have been no killings since those bans by either legally held “assault rifles” or legally held handguns:D Now we have the separate issue of dealing with illegally held firearms …….we need an effective police force and a justice system that works.

Ah! Another Lightroom user. I have migrated, no choice realy, from Pixmantec’s Rawshooter which I got used to WRT crop and convert.

Now with Lightroom (I have not been using it long) crop I find it counter-intuitive. Selecting ratio is no prob’ but now instead of moving the crop frame around the image it is the image that moves under the frame with a new entry appearing in the History panel each time you stop moving. I tend to move the frame around a bit before finaly deciding the best compo’.

Also I am finding the terminolgy in dilogue boxes to do with storing and exporting images rather difficult to decipher. I must be just thick!

Been reading the included PDF user guide but I do wish Adobe would design these things in A paper sizes that make sense on printers and paper here. Is it only me that thinks this?

I must confess to being quite enthusiastic about LR which I got from Adobe as a free upgrade from buying Rawshooter premium.
I do agree with you about the cropping and thats why I still do that and a few other things in PSP , though I can forsee a time when I could exclusivley process with LR.
I think I will need to add some more RAM to my pc though as it seems very power hungry compared to the likes of RSP and DPP.

regards
John

thats a good question Adam and it made me think a bit as it can vary for me on different image types but i guess most woud go along the lines of.

raw file in adobe lightroom
check and adjust white balance if needed
check and adjust exposure if needed
recover blown highlights if needed
adjust blacks in shadows if needed
adjust saturation
adjust vibrance
covert to jpg

Jpg in paint shop pro x
verify exposure after conversion
crop/straighten if required
covert to mono /duotone etc if desired
dodge , burn , clone , heal etc etc etc as and when required
noise reduction / edge preserving smooth if needed
Sharpen (usm)
save file
resize as needed ( most often to web friendly 800 on long side
sharpen resized file (usm)
save resize

I think thats an average routine , might have left things out as ive had a couple of beers and i’m tipsy LOl:D

Your just a bit to late my friend.

The first pictures of her were posted on here nearly two weeks ago, but hey, thanks for the input.;)

Lol , cold but funny ! ’tis a shame ………I really like her in that nice silver of the red Bull colours *puts on his flameproof coat*