WR963 has to move, the airport’s being built on, its that simple. What the scope is when we get to Elvington is yet to be decided, but we have not abandoned the ultimate goal of flight.
XV232 have already said some months ago they intend to go to Newquay.
As for the others (WK163, XH558) you’ll have to address the group in question, they’re not our toys.
Its true.
Now they’re just fantastic. I know Graham (Blue_2) has a Lincoln panel, and I envy you both now!
Rich W
The extra Uranium wasn’t in bomb form, but did apparently originate in Germany. Even more ironically, it was bound for Japan.
https://www.nytimes.com/1995/12/31/us/captured-cargo-captivating-myster…
I think its already gone, last I heard it was being loaded on a boat at Harwich.
Chiefy must have been looking the other way quite a bit.
I’ve found WG555, XF700, XF701, WR985 WL741 Wl747, WL747 on our aircraft, as well as a lot of boredom induced other graffiti! Some of it is in pen/indelible pencil, some of it is paint stencils.
Rich
Shackleton. One for photoflashes mounted in the roof and four for flares firing out the side of the rear fuselage.
Hi,
I checked over the gunners chair in WR963, but at the moment no inspectors stamps or numbers are visble due to thick layers of paint!
The offset rails give it away though, as shown in the photo attached. It gives room for the mechanism to revolve and slide the seat back for access.
Regards,
Rich
It looks like the front gunner’s chair.
I’ll check WR963 tomorrow.
Hi,
The pilots seats in VP293 are the same as in most surviving Shackletons, but as he was the last in service can’t be relied upon as being accurate to T4 specification. There is a slight variance in headrest, harness, and armrests, but the basic seat and frame is the same. The leg extensions are there, but hidden by the castings of the raise/lower mechanism – more so when the seat is at its lowest setting.
Early versions didn’t have the big headrests, as seen in WG511. But for the fixed armrests, I’d have said pilots or copilots seat, but I’m more inclined to think wireless or radar operator, the others are all pedestal style seats.
Regards,
Rich W
Hi Oracal,
No need for apologies, there’s various discrepancies that confuse us. One of the puzzling things is there’s no mention anywhere about outer wing panels with alloy skin over geodetics. Everything we’ve seen so far suggests geodetic with fabric, or a stressed skin with pressed ribs. Attached photo of the outer wing section shows again, not the case on G-AGRW… Strange!
Yes, the fuselage build is going to be hard, but I’m told there’s nearly a full set of the fuselage ‘D’ frames held, and those when used with new tubular longerons get a long way in to starting something that can be put in a jig..
Jeepman –
Its a great idea and was Barry’s original preference, but those that have the parts are reluctant to part with them so it was a non-starter. The Viking being available gave an avenue to achieving a similar result.
Oracal –
G-AGRW is serial number 115, so the 15th built, orginially fitted with fabric skinned wings as was the Wellington. At some point it received metal skins, though it still retains the geodetics unlike the 1B in your cutaway. This, coupled with the wing being the same size and section makes it viable to use in the same way a Hastings wing can be used to create a Halifax. The fuselage will largely be new build, using Z1206 as a pattern and incorporating as much original structure as can be found.
I’ve attached a photo of G-AGRW’s wings structure to help illustrate the above.
Markb –
Different how? Like building new two seat fighters, and putting those in ‘authentic’ markngs? Stop being obtuse.
No-one cares for your views, they change absolutely nothing.. this is how its going to be done, and the Viking is the beginning of it. If anyone had wanted to restore it, it wouldn’t have been under threat of scrapping to start with. As for provenance, it has a few brief years with Autair and a loooong time as a McDonalds. Hardly inspiring.
If you don’t like it – then move on; or use the ‘stash of original parts’ (that isn’t available anyway…) and build a Wellington youself. As I said earlier, no-one is stopping you.
How about “No.”?
You’re entitled to an opinion, but G-AGRW has now got a new fate awaiting. If you felt/feel that strongly about its survival, where were you when it was about to get scrapped?
Similarly, if you want to start talking ‘fake nonsense’ and original liveries shall we start with warbirds wearing paint schemes that aren’t from their their own history, or are we going straight for the main course of Spitfires that originate from the Isle of Wight as opposed to Castle Bromwich and that particular merry go round again?
The only part of this project that is nonsense would be allowing it to get scrapped purely because you can’t have what you want happen to it.
If you want a new build Wellington, crack on. Nobody’s stopping you.
Its precisely the same as the Halifax, as the Viking had been towed to the fire dump and was about to get reduced to cockpit and engines in a short space of time! I don’t like seeing aircraft scrapped, but if nobody was going to save it as a Viking, surviving on in some form as a Wellington seems to me a very decent compromise, and better than being shredded for recycling.
I’m told its internally very stripped apart from some garish interior decor left over from its past duties as a McDonalds restaurant; but Barry is looking to repatriate the whole aircraft not just the parts he requires, so I’m guessing he’s got plans for the rest.
MothMinor, yes that old thread is/was him!