Its a real project, though it needs a wider audience to get things going proper. I appreciate some may think that the Viking is worthy of saving in its own right, but nobody seems wlling to step up to save it in one lump, and similar barbs are always hurled at Elvington’s Halifax for daring to be a composite.. its a bit repetitive and not really constructive.
Information… A chap by the name of Barry Love has long been trying to get parts together to rebuild/recreate a Wellington, and he is heading things up. I found out the Viking was under threat of scrapping and put him in touch with its current owners. A deal has since been struck (and the scrapping stopped), so Barry is now fundraising to bring it home from Austria once Covid has calmed down a little. So far he has been approaching original equipment manufacturers and other sources – but for more detail you would need to ask Barry himself.
Some Wellington main fuselage frames have already been acquired and Wellington Z1206 is being used as a template for bomb bay/fuselage structure. These will be used with the Viking’s own Wellington derived wings, to form the basis of the ‘new’ aircraft, in the same way Hastings wings have been used to build Halifaxes.
https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/wellington-construction-project
Regards
Rich
Indeed we are, its a very generous donation! Other than the flat windscreen panels, replacement glazing is hard to come by.
Regards,
Rich
Hi all,
New sign in, same old me….
It seems the beefier pedal is a peculiarity of the Mk 1 Shackleton, by the time a similar pedal was used on the Mk 2 they were all the same dimensions. The drawings list many common parts in the pedal and adjuster between all the heavy Avro bomber types, it was only the Mk 3/Vulcan style pedals where everything changed again.
Regards
Rich
I got dragged out there about six months ago by a mad friend of mine who is one of those “spur of the moment” types. I don’t think I would have gotten around to going this year if he hadn’t. He still owes me the pictures though…!
The tourist information office were very helpful, but not that impressed as to my intentions. It was how I found out a tail fin had gone missing, I’m still trying to get confirmation the Tromso museum have it, as that’s where I was told it had gone. I want to get to Tromso next year, and possibly “Easy Elsie” again.
On point two… I’m not experienced enough to say what could be reassembled or rebuilt, but it would break my heart to get it out, then find piles of original material out back of a hangar after an attempt to put her back together. I don’t think I could do it yet – There’s a hell of a lot of a difference between welding a sill on my old Jaguar and putting a Lancaster back together, and it would be a lot of learning. I put myself in the enthusiastic amateur category with aircraft… the preservation will be left to experts.
Regards
Ric
I don’t think I’d want to see it rebuilt.
My goal is not the rebuilding or reconstruction of NF920, purely the recovery. To rebuild everything would cause things to be lost. Inside the tail, she has some markings indicating weights, these are handwritten and probably put there by someone trying to figure out how much weight was needed to counter additions such as the Wellington overload tanks and lack of a mid-upper turret. The original Nose-Art which survives, albiet close to the marsh water and faded. On the tail planes the original code letters with yellow edging, but with a different letter starting to show through, just in red.
I don’t care where it goes, be it Sweden or UK, it just needs saving. The reason i keep trying to get it back to the UK is that there has been next to no interest in putting it in a safe environment in Sweden, or anywhere other than the marsh in which it lies. That to me is a crying shame, and one that I will continue to endeavour to put right.
If any Swedish party comes up with a good plan:- e-mail me. PM me. Shout at me down the telephone. Write it in chalk on the side of my car if you have to, to reallly get my attention.
But until then, the offers I have had in the UK have priority.
Regards
Ric
Yes, I’m aware of the various pictures and posts. Incidentally if you look, Its me who posted on the dreamviews forum – there is life outside warbirds (I’ve seen it!!!):eek: .
Now to answer a few posts.
Yes, I’m trying to recover it. No the local authorities haven’t relented yet, despite the national authorities being quite happy. If you want to see it at the moment, it’s still there, on a public footpath, all year round, about 3 miles outside Porjus, Sweden.
It amazes me that some people think it is quite all right to leave a historically important aircraft where it fell. It’s not a war grave, there’s nobody still in it they all got out safe and were back in the UK around 9 months after it crashed.
Out of the remaining lancasters in the world, four have verified combat histories. This one would be number five, and what a history. “Easy Elsie” flew with 617 squadron on no less than two Tirpitz missions.
The walkway….. that was there when the aircraft landed on it. When the pilot dislocated his knee in the landing he was carried down to the road along it.
As for the custodians… The aircraft was intact, bar the cockpit area when it came down. But the merlins, turrets, all got removed, and the airframe mutilated. In 1985 the tail section was recovered and taken to the Air Force Museum. Due to lack of interest in it it was taken back. More recently one of the tail fins was taken to the Tromso defence museum in Norway.
As to the Hampden… I’ve seen it. Its always locked away, and the collection box always gets a bit from me. I think its my right to put my time and money into what I want to do, not what other people think is more deserving. You think the Hampden is worthy, get up, stretch out, then go and volunteer.
It may not be the popular decision but “Easy Elsie” will be coming back.
Ric
The last I heard was that some time ago, the spar had been inspected, and x-rayed (I don’t know how) and that it was in good order. When the question was asked after this little revelation, would it pass the necessary requirements the CAA would require we were told “YES”.
It was stressed that “Jane” would have to have at least a year off and a major overhaul to make perfectly sure she would be safe to fly. The reason we were given for this not happening? It would be unfair to the people who come to see her.
It appear the spar issue is not something they are worried about at East Kirkby, should they want to make her go.
Much as I love the Lancaster, I think having one airworthy in the UK is enough. It makes PA474 the show stopper wherever she goes…. who can forget how the whole show will go quiet when you get that first hint of a rumble of Merlins in the distance..? Or how people stop in the street and watch her go by when she’s on her way to an event?
It’s nice to know that there is another one capable of flight (and potentially a third – wasn’t KB889 at Duxford rebuilt to airworthy standards?)
Should anybody with deep enough pockets decide they want a Lancaster to fly, it would make a memorable sight having two in the air at once in the same area. Remember all the hype when we thought the Canadian example would be coming over for a season?
For the moment though, dreams aside, I’m happy to go to East Kirkby, and stand watching in awe, dodgy spar issue or not. But; I’ll be at the front of the crowd watching if she does get the green light. Whatever the Pantons decide, it’s a million times better than the sad lonely old Lancaster I saw as a 3 year old guarding Scampton remembering past glories.
Regards
Ric
Photo 1 is WU-16, when it was at Perth Airport. Look just above the Mossies starbord engine on the underside of the lancaster’s port wing you can see the french navy roundel. The Mosquito is A52-210 or A52-319, it got renumbered after being rebuilt.
Regards
Ric
My guess is it is the retirement of the Lancaster from service in Canada. The one flying over is in Maritime rescue colours, and I’m pretty sure the one on the pole is FM136 . The codes and the plaque on the plinth correspond with this as she wore VH-N for a long time.
As for a year I would say 1963 or 64.
Rich
You could probably try ringing the rectory at Sprotborough, its a guest house now owned by a friend of mine. He’s really proud of the Bader connection, so would probably know.
Ric
Thanks for all the quick replies!!!
Moggy: thanks for the aerial view.. it certainly yies in with the sandbar mentioned in the article from the North Coates flying club.
Old Eagle: Do you have any rough pointers for where it was when you visited..? It would narrow my search area considerably.
Apparently there’s also a dummy Tallboy hiding in Tetney Marshes…
Thanks again!!
Damn right I am!!! :diablo:
I had it all set up ready to go, then somebody stopped it by trying to make it illegal to remove (by declaring it a cultural monument). I only had a small window with the blokes who were going to fetch it, and it was missed as a result. Their recovery plan still stands and still has their bosses approval, so if everything clicks into place again, it should be able to go fairly quickly.
Anyways, I keep renewing the permits I’ve got, and I’ll keep trying!!
Rich
If it wasn’t for red tape idiots it would have been back here two years ago. Believe me when I say it wasn’t through lack of trying… I’ve been trying for a few years now to get all the permits in place to bring her back.
There is a picture of the Canadian wreck post crash in the book “Lincoln at war”… the front section was intact up to at least the instrument panel, as the canopy is shown in the picture.
From the text that is with the book, it appears the tail broke away, the rest was dragged up on shore, then stripped and broken up.
I’ll dig the book out tonight and find the picture.
Richard
Mark;
It may be worth getting in contact with Jeremy Hall who built the Lancaster cockpit featured in Flypast a few years ago. It was built to original drawings, and he was the advisor for the build of a full size fuselage for the BBC programme “Night FLight” that is now at Woodhall Spa in Lincolnshire.
Regards
Richard W