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  • in reply to: Could Eurofighter do post-stall maneuver? #2469573
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    The Typhoon was specifically designed for the supersonic aerial combat, which indicates it has superior characteristics there. the lack of “post stall” maneuverability is a substantial aid there, as it does not need to drag all the vertical tail surface through the air like a Flanker of an F-18.

    Precisely!
    To add my 2 cents, I am under the strong impression that a modern fighter designer wouldn’t incorporate post stall maneuverability to a modern fighter, even if that would have no cost, aerodynamic or weight penalty, whatsoever.
    In order NOT to encourage the pilot to slow down.

    in reply to: Could Eurofighter do post-stall maneuver? #2469589
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    On the post-stall, the EF2K is not able to do it, will fall from the sky if pilot pulls hard or make a mistake during a combat.

    In fact the FCS will not allow the aircraft to enter a situation like that;)

    Saying that post-stall has no sense is another nonsense written by fan boys.

    Post stall maneuvers means low speed.
    Which makes that aircraft easy target for any decent and modern air to air missile or SAM. Cannot get any simpler than that.

    you can also put it this way, whatever Typhoon does, russkie do it even better.

    bold claim…Especially after the poor performance of RuAF during the last crisis in Georgia.

    in reply to: Could Eurofighter do post-stall maneuver? #2469816
    greg
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    AFAIK post stall maneuvers are completely useless in an actual combat situation. And the eurofighter is a war machine after all, in contrast probably with some other airshow birdies:cool:

    The EF cannot perform (safely) any type of post-stall as long as it doesn’t gets TVC.

    in reply to: Flankers beats F-35 in highly classified simulated dogfight ? #2472609
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    If a jet is in equilibium while making a turn/loop – ie the drag + gravity is fully counterbalanced by thrust and lift and the jet is maintaining a constant turn profile. The turn will be circular in shape. For this to be the case that means the jets alpha is irrelavent – the wing will always point to the centre of the turn as it produces the force that turns the jet. Therefore the jet engines which are 90 degrees to the wing will always instantaneously be parallel to the velocity vector – which is the tangent of the circular path taken by the jet.

    http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4405/efak1zu7.jpg

    I was actually referring to the angle (a’) between thrust vector (t) and its velocity component (v).

    in reply to: Flankers beats F-35 in highly classified simulated dogfight ? #2472770
    greg
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    I hope that explains it.

    Perfectly!! :):):)
    You ve been more than helpful. You really shouldn’t go to all this trouble. Your writings are clear enough.

    But…..:diablo:
    (ok really dont do any diagrams no more, OK??)

    a. From what you write one can still conclude that it is possible to get “SOME” lift from downing TVC, along with canards, although that will lead to a massive decrease in the overall lift. So it is something to be avoided.
    Right?
    But can this be done on the extreme ends of the envelope, say for example in landing speeds to improve STOL performance?

    b. As far as I can understand, when an aircraft turns, with no TVC, its vector thrust is “almost” parallel to the velocity vector. The alpha of the plane is going to keep the engine angled to the that.
    And if that is correct, 20 degrees AoA means 0.939 of its thrust, parallel to velocity.

    in reply to: Flankers beats F-35 in highly classified simulated dogfight ? #2472810
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    The basic idea is that the canards will increase AoA up to maximum possible and then instead of relaxing to keep AoA steady, the TVC would compensate increasing overall lift. Why is this impossible, can you pls elaborate?

    Your second paragraph, though, was more than clear.
    It is perfectly understandable that the wing is much more efficient in producing lift, than TVC, except possibly from the extreme ends of the flight envelope.
    Having that in mind, is it possible to do the exact opposite?
    That is, inside a sustained turn, the TVC could keep thrust parallel to the velocity vector, thus increasing this effect?

    in reply to: Flankers beats F-35 in highly classified simulated dogfight ? #2472885
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    Question:

    Can TVC in combination with forward canards (like the EFs’) increase lift and thus sustained turn rates, by vectoring thrust downwards, in speeds above CV or ever in the supersonic area?

    in reply to: HELLENIC AIR FORCE NEWS & DISCUSSION #2475255
    greg
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    And some more photos from the same event.

    http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/4779/01ip3.th.jpg http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/2549/02ho2.th.jpg
    http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/139/03as1.th.jpg http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4890/04rp1.th.jpg
    http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/3417/05xs0.th.jpg http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/5404/06gk0.th.jpg
    http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/7231/07px4.th.jpg http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/90/08tc2.th.jpg
    http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/5334/09qz0.th.jpg http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/4528/10lj6.th.jpg
    http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/4151/11dx5.th.jpg http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/6527/12zr7.th.jpg

    in reply to: HELLENIC AIR FORCE NEWS & DISCUSSION #2475300
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    According to Greek defence media websites, the first two EMB-145H Erieye have been officially accepted by HAF. Perhaps we will see them for the first time with the Greek AF roundels in a few days at Tanagra AB during HAF’s Annual Celebration (12-14 Sep. 2008)

    http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/9392/p1010694cc8.th.jpg

    http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/3899/p1010153jz4.th.jpg

    today’s photos

    in reply to: Physics question about fighter jets? #2478180
    greg
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    Exactly the answer I needed. Thanks everyone. 🙂

    And seriously Greg, read moar science fiction. You need to nerdify! 😀

    :):)

    Sci-Fi is good, and I like it.

    But I try to keep it away from reality. Reality is even better:diablo::diablo:

    in reply to: Physics question about fighter jets? #2478370
    greg
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    What I’m getting at here about the 4.5g turn is purely a theoretical concept. You know those, uhm… “internal dampeners” from Star Trek…? http://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/konfus/a075.gif

    Lets say the plane is equipped with a device that halves the g-load an aircraft experiences by half. I know it’s completely impossible, since inertia is a core element of basic existence as we know it, but if it WERE possible (A wizard did it; there’s your explanation.) How would that work? A 9g equivalent turn, but the aircraft itself only experiences 4.5g due to that impossible technology. In other words, the planes doesn’t experience as much as a load factor as it normally should. Do you understand what I’m getting at here?

    Let me try to answer…:confused::confused::confused::confused:

    An impossible technology question, will get you an impossible answer.
    There is absolutely no logical challenge in answering this type of questions, so there is absolutely no point in making them:diablo:

    If you could turn without experiencing g-forces, why move at all.
    😮 Beam yourself 😮

    in reply to: Physics question about fighter jets? #2478432
    greg
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    While sitting on the toilet as usual for my life, I was thinking about… ah, I’ll keep it to myself, but it did raise some other questions:

    When an aircraft makes a 9g turn, that aircraft more or less tends to bleed airspeed, or energy, very fast. What is it that makes the aircraft lose that energy? The g-load on the aircraft? The high angle of attack?

    In fact both statements are correct.
    You may choose which one to pick, depending upon which angle of view you address the problem.

    A pure physicist would pick the “g-load” one. When a vehicle turns it actually accelerates. This acceleration is perpendicular to the speed vector, which is why, most people find it difficult to understand. But it is still an acceleration.
    Which means the vehicle needs energy to perform it. If the engine thrust cannot compensate for that, airspeed will bleed.

    On the other hand, a aeronautical engineer might prefer the hi “angle of attack one”. In order to turn the pilot pulls the stick backwards to get more lift, and thus increases his lift induced drag.

    Actually it is a coin viewed from different angles, heads or tails…

    So if that plane suddenly weighed only half it’s original weight right there and then pulled a nine-g turn, would the resultant airspeed bleed only be at half it’s normal rate as well?

    Affirmative.
    Mind you thow, that it will happen only if you keep ALL other factors the same. That is: engine thrust, exterior aerodynamics and dimensions.
    Which practically makes it impossible unless material technology science gets a breakthrough.

    Alternately, if a plane pulled a 9g turn but only experienced 4.5g of force on the aircraft, how would THAT effect it’s airspeed bleed? Or hell, it’s flight performance?

    I dont get it. can you please clarify your question?

    in reply to: Radar/Stealth question #2495528
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    This is just something I was wondering to myself the other day..

    Radar reflects of flat surfaces, and so stealth aircraft have angled surfaces to scatter the radar signal, correct?

    Well what about the dorsal and ventral sides of the aircraft? Even stealth aircraft are comparatively flat for areas such as their wings, so could a satellite based, downwards looking radar be used to locate conventional stealth aircraft?

    :confused:

    Theoretically such a radar should reveal stealth aircraft.

    But how would you launch a satellite like that?
    If the satellite is in a stationary orbit, than in should stay 35.768 km!!! above earth’s surface!!!, and only in an orbit above the equator!
    Difficult to build such a satellite, design the antenna and power it.

    On the other hand it is possible to have a low orbit satellite like the spy satellites. But then it would be above a specific earth’s spot, once every 1,5 hour, and stay there for just a few minutes 🙁

    in reply to: Rafale news III: the return of the revenge #2496400
    greg
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    The offer concerns the non modernized Mirages 2000E/BGM

    in reply to: IRBIS and the detection of low RCS targets #2521811
    greg
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    youtube video on IRBIS-E radar:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yELuKJFDM80&feature=related

    Is this radar antenna supposed to be 1 metre in diametre????

    Compared to the head of the visitor and the stairs in the background, I would say it is abt 80 cm

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