I’m scared to ask, as it’s a big request… 😮
😎
Thanks Walter, that just what we needed, could’nt find anthing on the net…
What if Kestrels were fitted instead of Peregrines, the Peregrine was a development of the Kestrel IIRC.
Cheers
Cees
Peregrine
General characteristics
Type: 12-cylinder supercharged liquid-cooled 60 degree Vee aircraft piston engine
Bore: 5 inches (127 mm)
Stroke: 5.5 inches (140 mm)
Displacement: 1,295.9 in³ (21.24 L)
Length: 73.6 in (1869 mm)
Width: 27.1 in (688 mm)
Height: 41.0 in (1041 mm)
Dry weight: 1,140 lb (517 kg)
Components
Valvetrain: Overhead camshaft
Supercharger: Gear-driven centrifugal type supercharger, single speed, +9 psi boost
Fuel system: Downdraught carburettor
Fuel type: Petrol
Cooling system: Liquid cooled, 70% water/30% Ethylene glycol
Performance
Power output: 885 hp (660 kW) at 3,000 rpm, +9 psi boost (bmep = 180.3psi)
Specific power: 0.68 hp/in³ (31.1 kW/L)
Compression ratio: 6:1
Power-to-weight ratio: 0.77 lb/hp
Kestrel
General characteristics
Type: Supercharged liquid-cooled 60-degree V12 engine
Bore: 5 in (127 mm)
Stroke: 5.51 in (140 mm)
Displacement: 1,297 in³ (21.25 L)
Width: 24.41 in (620 mm)
Height: 35.63 in (905 mm)
Dry weight: 957 lb (434 kg)
Components
Valvetrain: Two inlet and two exhaust poppet valves per cylinder
Supercharger: Gear-driven centrifugal type supercharger
Fuel system: Rolls-Royce carburetor
Fuel type: 87 octane rating gasoline
Cooling system: Liquid-cooled, pressurised to 300°F (150°C)
Reduction gear: Spur, 0.553:1
Performance
Power output:
685 hp (511 kW) at 2,240 rpm for takeoff
631 hp (471 kW) at 2,900 rpm at 14,400 ft (4,400 m)
Specific power: 0.53 hp/in³ (24.05 kW/l)
Compression ratio: 6.0:1
Oil consumption: 0.18-0.35 oz/(hp•h) (7-13 g/(kW•h))
Power-to-weight ratio: 0.72 hp/lb (1.18 kW/kg)
I’ve seen somewhere that the Kestrel could/had produced 1050hp at one point… :confused:
Can anyone confirm that?
We’re beginning here to get away from what could have been done to the Peregrine & existing airframe to make a viable Mk II variant.
So please gentlemen lets not start on a Merlin power Whirly roll again, think of how the Peregrine could be improved, to be less of an asthmatic sprinter always running out of breath before the finishing line! But turn it into a deep chested micro power house… After all Rolls Royce did in the end start to patch up its big brother, the Vulture! And with proposed alterations (Never implemented) could have been a better option than the Sabre, but with the Merlins being an easier path, it ended up being skip fodder!
So, if time and money was available, could the Peregrines have been brought up to 1000-1100 hp and still be, within reason near the same weight and proportions of the standard engine… With 4 blade prop’s, extra fuel capacity, crossover feed systems and superior weapons fitted, would extra power have still been an advantage or would the extra weight negate any benefit the Mk II Peregrine would give the little Whirlwind…
Hi
My favourite stock answer to the many whirlwind / merlin engine debates.
Following extract not from a ‘ what if ‘,
but from genuine preserved correspondence…Jan 41 in a letter to Sholto Douglas
by Eric Mensforth M.D. Westlands.……. We are now able, because of the solution of certain undercarriage retraction problems, to offer to install in the whirlwind twin merlin XX engines …..
Therefore in answer to all the long standing internet debates, Westlands in 1941, put in writing that the whirlwind airframe could handle merlin engines..
Cheers
Jerry
Hi Jerry
Hmmm, well he might have written about fitting Merlins, but when I asked Fred Ballam about this, he told me he had never found anything on paper as to how exactly it was to be done… 🙁
Idea’s anyone…
It never fails to amaze me, the knowledge that people have that frequent these forums… 😀
vacb, thank you very much for this, I’d just about given up finding anything about WWII British Accumulator’s and certainly not a photo of one…. 🙂
Brilliant!
Cheers
NiallC… I think I Love you! Well, nearly… 😉
Thank you NiallC, thats another piece of the puzzle to making this Whirlwind model perfect… 😉
Check your PM’s as I’ll be sending you a little something for your trouble.
Again, thank you… 😉
wow that will be an amazingly exciting picture!! Here it is with my ‘helpers’ playing tuggy!!
Thanks for that Rocketeer…;)
And many thanks to everyone else who helped… 🙂
Rocketeer… 🙂 Any chance you could post a photo of the colour? It would be very, helpfull to the project if you could…
Re the ‘Whirlwind’ image…my first thought was that it was, in fact, a Whelkin (?) prototype….but then thought no, and then, that the WW didn’t perform well at altitude, so the plane image was pasted onto the cloudscape….
Anywhere near, Mr BS?
Spot on… 🙂
The original photo had a bloody great rudder in the way, I just thought it would look so much nicer without it… 😉
One of my favorites was the Hurricane with the ‘Bubble-Top’ Canope…
Here’s the original photo…


Re the ‘Whirlwind’ image…my first thought was that it was, in fact, a Whelkin (?) prototype….but then thought no, and then, that the WW didn’t perform well at altitude, so the plane image was pasted onto the cloudscape….
Anywhere near, Mr BS?
Spot on… 🙂
The original photo had a bloody great rudder in the way, I just thought it would look so much nicer without it… 😉
One of my favorites was the Hurricane with the ‘Bubble-Top’ Canope…
Here’s the original photo…


Hmmm… Their a bit lame are’nt they;)
Here’s some of mine…










Hmmm… Their a bit lame are’nt they;)
Here’s some of mine…










Heslop, I’ve taken the liberty of Photoshopping your images, they have all been done within two clicks…