Is that right?
So what is the freakin problem with China unable to squeese out an AL-31F deriative engine with similar BTO, Thrust and Fuel consumption:confused:
Ever heard of the WS10A? :rolleyes:
If anything, it has better figures than the AL31F, especially in MTBO and service life departments.
And why have we seen China over and over order more AL-31FN engines from Russia?
This does not give me the impression, China is in any shape to export their own Flanker engines..
Because the AL31FN is different from the AL31F, and it takes time to ramp up production to satisfy all the demand.
But we are already seeing WS10A on the J10B, so the chances of more orders are pretty slim now.
How far away is Turkey’s own indigenous attack helo from becoming operational?
Uhh what? I was referring to Hotdog’s post regarding J-20 supposedly being first a striker, second a fighter. Since the T-50 was in the question, I pointed out that it intends to have a fully ready A2G capability.
Haven’t you been here long enough to know that Hotdog only makes those comments to bait both sides into a flame war for his own amusements? Yet you still don’t seem to get wise and falls for this trick every time.
If everyone just ignore what he says, there will be far far fewer pointless p!ssing contests since he seem to start most of them with his obvious baiting.
If anything, the arguments about the weapons carriage should further show that the J20 is designed primarily as a fighter instead of a striker.
Funny how this only comes out when certain people needs to play one-upmanship with the J20, but when others say the J20 is going to suck in AA cos it’s designed to be a striker, they are fine with it. :rolleyes:
…Quit your time and bandwidth wasting with these baseless and proven wrong fantasies. You only dreamed them up to try and stir up a flame war. No-one is stupid enough to fall for it.
Humm, seems like I spoke too soon.
It may not be an exact copy but its clearly evident that the J 20 is a stealthised MIG 1.44. That don’t mean the Chinese stole anything, prolly took the idea and developed it further.
Always someone desperate to take the obvious flame bait. :rolleyes:
actually that’s your logic. If you note, my post was not even directed to you but you seem to have the constant urge to respond to my posts and search for them..lets not avoid this my friendly visitor
yet you have no proof that the members did render it. But we do know that the picture has a connection with Kanwa and AVIC. I know you’re trying your best to disprove it with your assumptions but your assumptions are just just that, your own guesses.
No need to pass them off as facts or attacking people when you can’t disprove them, something you do all the time. No need to give Frank constant headaches :diablo:many countries make different models of aircraft that would become produced. Lets take a rational look at history to create a sense of understanding and harmony for you.
This here is the Northrop P530.. its based heavily on the F-5, and is the proto-YF-17 which in turn would become the proto F-18
This proto design, despite being the root of the F-18, is a different aircraft.
I know you don’t post outside of anything PLAAF or PLAN related so you may not know too much about non Chinese aircraft, so I am trying to explain to you how aircraft designs tend to work.. and they often come from a series of other designs that led up to the one being produced.
So this proto J-20, may be the roots of the current J-20. You like to mention no links between the MiG.144 and the J-20, but we are not looking at that to begin with. Also because the J-20’s still shrouded in secrecy, my post was not a statement of the proto-J-20’s link with the MiG 1.44 but a question.
It is clear you have absolutely no interest in the J20 or aviation, you are just interested in stirring up trouble and arguing for argument sake.
I am doing something I should have done a long time ago.
Hotdog, you are now on my ignore list. Don’t bother replying to this since I will not see it.
You will have to find someone else to be the object of your stalking fantasies.
and the threads you happen to be interested in are my posts 😮
as seen by your frequent visits to my profile in search of my daily blabberings.
“Paranoia is a comforting state of mind. If you think they are out to get you, it means you think you matter.”
By your silly logic, anyone who replies to one of your posts is stalking you? :rolleyes:
Grow up and stop these childish fantasies. If you didn’t post in any Chinese related threads, see how much I respond to you.
do you have proof it was a guesswork of Kanwa? The picture says Kanwa via AVIC, which means Aviation Industry Corporation of China, in case you didn’t know.
That’s called having it backwards buddy.
Kanwa posted that picture claiming it to be a model of the J20, which has been disproved by real-world facts.
The fact that the picture came from AVIC means absolutely nothing without context. There have been pictures from AVIC showing Rafale, F16 and F22 models in wind tunnels conducting tests. All of those physical models are infinitely more tangible than that computer model, which quite frankly, many of the members here could probably have rendered if they wanted to.
By your logic, there are ‘proto’ examples of those planes flying in China as well? :rolleyes:
You are the one here making these fanciful and baseless claims that there is a ‘proto J20’. Where is your proof that there has ever been such a thing?
Your desperate attempts to continue to try and link this imaginary ‘proto-J20’ with the Mig1.44 is frankly ridiculous given the fact that Mig has came out and publicly stated that they had absolutely nothing to do with the J20.
Quit your time and bandwidth wasting with these baseless and proven wrong fantasies. You only dreamed them up to try and stir up a flame war. No-one is stupid enough to fall for it.
Hello my fellow keypublishing stalker.
Well Mr ego, I am only following the threads I am interested in, I couldn’t care less what you do in others so talk of ‘stalking’ is pure nonsense.
I can read, but are you blind?
maybe you should take a good look at the aircraft I posted a picture of versus the one you posted. Are you saying they are the same aircraft?
Silly and pointless hair splitting.
Read what the official Mig press release said. They have never transfered any technologies to China for the J20.
The picture you found is just pure guesswork by Kanwa when they didn’t know what the J20 would look like.
That picture is proven to be nothing, so stop clutch at straws to try and stir up a flame war. If you are bored, take up a hobby or get a pet and please stop trying to waste our time flogging this dead horse.
Interesting. This is Chengdu’s early stealth concept.. a proto J-20 if you will..
does it not look similar?
did MiG help them with that design? or heavily based off it?
intake looks similar to the proposed production version
Can you not read?
This was posted in this very thread.
Russia has never transferred any stealth technology to China to assist it with its J-20 Black Eagle fifth-generation stealth fighter prototype, Russian plane maker MiG said on Friday.
“We are not delivering any equipment to China, and never have,” MiG spokeswoman Yelena Fyodorova said.
MiG’s statement follows claims in the Russian and foreign press last week that China’s J-20, unveiled over six months ago, is based on technology and components from the Russian Mikoyan Article 1.44, a stealth technology demonstrator aircraft, development of which was suspended.
read more >> http://www.xairforces.net/newsd.asp?newsid=482&newst=8
Riiiight, pointing out that your scenarios rest on an almost ideal-for-China force employment is clearly China bashing.
How is that scenario ideal for China exactly? And how have you pointed this out other than suggesting a single carrier is going to ‘gut’ China’s air force.
Who exactly is suspending reality here. :rolleyes:
Does it hurt to play victim so much?
Why don’t you tell me? Since you seem to be doing it so much whenever someone confronts you on one of your less logical comments.
Like a single carrier ‘gutting’ China’s air force for example. :rolleyes:
Wishful thinking is your scenario where China somehow is able to concentrate such massive assets against an isolated and poorly employed US carrier group.
Oh, and do work on that abrasive tone of yours.
Didn’t you just suggest in your last post that this ‘isolated and poorly employed US carrier group’ was going to ‘gut’ China’s air force?
Now you are crying foul because the Chinese can bring too much firepower to bare?
Please make up your mind up as to how you want to bash China this time. :rolleyes:
And no, it is not a far fetched scenario at all, since the primary reason the PLA has bought the JH7 is for anti-shipping. The only thing far fetched is suggesting that it will require so many JH7s to spam enough missiles to have a very high probability of overwhelming a CGS’s defenses.
lol, not like the US navy has vast other assets it can bring to the field. One carrier for gutting China’s air force is a good trade off.
If the carrier strike group doesn’t even have enough missiles to defend itself. How exactly is it going to ‘gut’ China’s air force?
That’s what people call wishful thinking. :rolleyes:
So, the US navy doubles the carrier coverage compliment of cruisers. Problem solved.
That is assuming 100% intercept rate for 400-800 missiles.
Even if they manage to achieve that by some miracle. The PLAAF come back a few hours later with a fresh missile load.
Problem solved.
i posted, then you replied after me with that quote. duh.
Well, it seems being able to follow simple chronological order is beyond you.
Look a few screens up this thread. Who posted in this thread first?
In case even that is too much for you to cope with, I will recap.
I made a post on the topic being discussed, you then made a trademark SPAM post a few minutes later to which I responded. So who is the fan club here kiddy?
It is also amusing that your attempt at a comeback is a near perfect copy of what I said to you a while back.
Ah, my personal fan club right on cue…
Maybe you will even manage to get the copy word perfect next time. :diablo:
my fan club has arrived right on cue! :diablo:
Who was posting here before who exactly? Seems simple logic is against you. Again. :rolleyes:
These days we have UCAV suicide drones! in China they refer them as
巡航导弹
or guided flying patrol bullet.
Yet more typically silly pointless annoying messages from hotdog, how shocking.
Even when you are trolling and deliberately mistranslating the Chinese term for ‘cruise missiles’ by giving the literal translation for each word you can’t help making silly mistakes.
If you are to translate those 4 words literally, they mean ‘patrol cruise guided round’. :rolleyes: