plawolf“Uh huh- two Sovremenny destroyers are going to sink the entire Taiwanese Navy. “Numerous” my arse. Maybe if the writer were talking about other anti-ship missiles as well we wouldn’t think him so ignorant …”
taiwan’s navy only have a few good ships, the rist are just about as anitquated as most of the PLAN. and ur forgetting the 168/169 and 170/171 destroyers and new frigets. and there also all the air launched AShMs.
“We’re assuming runway-killer accuracy from old pieces of sh@t like the M-11 and M-9 … why?”
the newest chinese SRBMs are reported to be accurate to a few dozen metres. armed with cluster munitions, they could pose a real threat to large isolated targets like airfeilds and troop barriks.
but one of the major ommissions was the feilding of the new QW-2 multiplue launch rockets. these rockets have a range of 300+km, which means they can cover all of taiwan. these missiles arent very accourate (around a hundred metres) but they can and probably are being made in the thousands and tens of thousands, and so can carpet an airfeild much better then a handful of SRBMs.
“Uh huh, copies of 1950 Soviet bombers are going to survive in a Taiwanese air defense environment, because the Supermen(TM) of the Chinese Special Forces are going to destroy all the air defenses! Of course!”
i think he was thinking about these bombers carrying cruise missiles. but i’ll admit that that was a pretty silly argument.
plawolf“And PLAWOLF
Within one month, a combined USN, USAF, Taiwanese and Jap airforces willrender the PLAAF and PLAAN useless, only the threat of using nukes could help China”
no doubt if all of the combined might of the above forces were pitted against china, hell any AF bar the USAF, then the other side would have no hope. but u’re forgetting a small thing call geography mate. how exactly is the USAF going to get into the fight?
the SK and japanese would not want any peice of the fight, and so it is very likely that they would not allow the US to use its bases in their countries to stage strikes against china; if the USAF were to even try to go and use taiwan’s AFB. then the PLA would be as gald as hell as they can just blow the planes up while they are still on teh ground. the only base the USAF can use is guam, and that pretty far for fighters and the B52s based there could not get in the fight until the PLAAF is grounded.
the USN have one carrier in the area, that about 80 ac all together and about half of them are support craft. a solitary carrier group will not fight until its gets substantual backup from other carriers, most of which are deployed in the ME or CONUS, and it will take days if not weeks to get them into position, by which time the fighting may well be over.
the only way the USN could get into the fight and be able to have some effect is if they knew beforehand that the fight is about to break out. which would either mean that they got intel on PLA movements or from the taiwanese if they wanted to declear independence.
the US has made it aboundently clear that it will not support TI, and if the USN start to show up in force in the region, the PLA would most likely put off any attack plan.
plawolf“Actually I did too many gymnastics. the US can just refuse to accept shipments from china (shoot the protesters outside walmart pining for their stuff…*sniff sniff*) , enforce a oil blocade to china in the indian ocean and sit back and watch the chaos.”
even more delusions.:rolleyes:
at least this time its so sad that its actaully funny. ‘refuse to accept shipments from china’ ROFL!
as for blocking off china’s oil supply. well there is a threat and the US might give serious consideration to it. but if the US does that then china can just stop buying US gov bonds, and there’s the US economy down the drain for at least 5 years.
but then china has already though of that and has been working to build oil pipelines across russia and other former soviet block nations. unless the US plans to fight WWIII, they cant cut off chinese oil lines. they can limite the amount of oil that does get into china from the middle east, but that will just slow down chinese economic growth and ultimately hurt the US economy.:p
plawolfaccording to some accounts, the WS10A has already been flight tested in a J11 (smart move as if the engine fails, u always have a second one to bring u home, unlike the single engined J10s).
as crobato has meantioned time and again, the WS10A is far more likely to be feilded in the J11s before the J10s, so it might be wiser to pay more attention to the engins of newly build J11s for evidence of the WS10A becoming coperational.
plawolf“Can I also include Japans ~100 P3C Orions ?
USN+USAF will destroy PLAN and some of PLAAF in say a months
time. Most of china’s valuable industries along the coast would also be attacked by cruise missiles and ofcourse that $100b trade surplus with US would be kept in abeyance.”
can ppl expect anything more from u?:rolleyes:
keep dreaming cos that will not happen.:p
plawolfthe article, while long, is a little outdated and inaccurate in some of its key information and assessments. it is clearly an article produced by taiwanese for taiwan’s interal consumption. probably as part of the overal champaign to secure more funding for additional arms purchases from the US.
plawolfoh, lets not forget about saving the warrior spirit of japan in the last sameri…
its almost funny if it wasnt so sad.:rolleyes: 🙁
plawolfoh, lets not forget about saving the warrior spirit of japan in the last sameri…
its almost funny if it wasnt so sad.:rolleyes: 🙁
plawolf“If they’re executing 10,000 every year that just about finishes any argument you might have that the death sentence is a deterrent. Otherwise they would need to execute less and less people each year. On the other hand, it might be a suitable punishment for their crimes, but that’s something different.”
i see the logic behind ur argument, but the reality is that china simply isnt executing enough!
the percentage of the number of criminals who are executed only represents a small minority of all who commit such crimes, and as such the vast majority fancy their chances of not being caught, and so keep on doing what they do.
the main problem is the size of china’s population, and how poor most of them still are. with all the growth that china has seen in the past decade and talk of china ‘stealing’ western jobs, it can be easy to forget the tens of millions that were left unemployed after china’s commitment to open up its markets to the outside world. in reality, china lost more jobs then was created by its economic boom, and the imbalance is far from being addressed.
in the meantime, u have vast numbers of unemployed with no state benefits and little chance of getting a job. also, as so many ppl are so poor, they have little of value to loose if they die or gets put in prison, so the stakes for them are much lower, and so they are more willing to take risks u or i would never think of taking…
also, with large numbers of ppl entering the ‘crime business’ competition also gets tougher, and more and more brutal means are used to settle problems. this is the main case of the kinds of offences which are punishable by death.
another unwelcome side effect is that as rival gangs gets more brutal with each other, their members become used to that level of violence, and that is reflected in the methods they use to tackle innocent victims, and so commit even more crimes punishable by death.
china’s legal system is also not without blame, as it lacks a get out cluse for ppl who have commited capital offences – ie, if u commite an offence punishable by death, u get the death penalty if caught and convicted. so if someone kills one person, then they become less bothered about killing again as he cant be punished anymore for the extra offences, nor can he redeme himself for the first offence he commited.
its a very difficult period in the development of nation, and the only real solution is to try and fast forward past this period so that ppl have more to hold onto and have more of their basic demands met. then ppl will be less wiling to take risks, and crime should start to drop, with it, the number of executions.
plawolf“If they’re executing 10,000 every year that just about finishes any argument you might have that the death sentence is a deterrent. Otherwise they would need to execute less and less people each year. On the other hand, it might be a suitable punishment for their crimes, but that’s something different.”
i see the logic behind ur argument, but the reality is that china simply isnt executing enough!
the percentage of the number of criminals who are executed only represents a small minority of all who commit such crimes, and as such the vast majority fancy their chances of not being caught, and so keep on doing what they do.
the main problem is the size of china’s population, and how poor most of them still are. with all the growth that china has seen in the past decade and talk of china ‘stealing’ western jobs, it can be easy to forget the tens of millions that were left unemployed after china’s commitment to open up its markets to the outside world. in reality, china lost more jobs then was created by its economic boom, and the imbalance is far from being addressed.
in the meantime, u have vast numbers of unemployed with no state benefits and little chance of getting a job. also, as so many ppl are so poor, they have little of value to loose if they die or gets put in prison, so the stakes for them are much lower, and so they are more willing to take risks u or i would never think of taking…
also, with large numbers of ppl entering the ‘crime business’ competition also gets tougher, and more and more brutal means are used to settle problems. this is the main case of the kinds of offences which are punishable by death.
another unwelcome side effect is that as rival gangs gets more brutal with each other, their members become used to that level of violence, and that is reflected in the methods they use to tackle innocent victims, and so commit even more crimes punishable by death.
china’s legal system is also not without blame, as it lacks a get out cluse for ppl who have commited capital offences – ie, if u commite an offence punishable by death, u get the death penalty if caught and convicted. so if someone kills one person, then they become less bothered about killing again as he cant be punished anymore for the extra offences, nor can he redeme himself for the first offence he commited.
its a very difficult period in the development of nation, and the only real solution is to try and fast forward past this period so that ppl have more to hold onto and have more of their basic demands met. then ppl will be less wiling to take risks, and crime should start to drop, with it, the number of executions.
plawolf“No – a colleague of mine recently photographed a couple of religious-maniac nutters who were going out to China to try and find homes elsewhere in the world for the abandoned baby GIRLS. Chinese families want boys – the old thinking was that a girl would marry and look after her husbands parents when they became frail and elderly, so with the one child doctrine the couple who had a girl-child would be alone with little help in their old age. Obviously if they could afford to pay a two child tax then they could afford to look after themselves into their old age too, but the people who can’t will be desperate for a baby boy – and the pictures from within China that my colleague had to copy showed the conditions that the discarded girl babies had to live and die in were much worse than in those infamous Romanian orphanages.
Sorry Multirole – if you were from Rwanda, Iraq, Pinochet-era Chile, or Stalinist era Russia, etc, would you be defending their history of crowd control too? – Nermal”
these are the choices of individuals, not the government, the one child policy helped to stop a bady-boom in its tracks. while some parents do go to extreme lengths to get a boy, the now more flexibale policy means that baby girls being aboandoned are extremely rare.
the fact of the matter is that those families that abandon baby girls are probably those who are so poor that they would have had to do it anyways even if they were allowed to have as many kids as they wished. there is little any gov could do about this except to increase the standard of living for all chinese so that fewer families are faced with that choice.
often, when children are abandoned, they are left in corwed places so that ppl can easily find them, and the vast majority are found and sent to orthanages, and ppl dont get to see that as its not dramatic enough.
i have no idea why some parents would choose to leave their own children where ppl are unlikely to find them, and i hold no sympathese for such ppl, but apparently every generation in very nation have such ppl, and there is little anyone else can do about them.:(
plawolf“No – a colleague of mine recently photographed a couple of religious-maniac nutters who were going out to China to try and find homes elsewhere in the world for the abandoned baby GIRLS. Chinese families want boys – the old thinking was that a girl would marry and look after her husbands parents when they became frail and elderly, so with the one child doctrine the couple who had a girl-child would be alone with little help in their old age. Obviously if they could afford to pay a two child tax then they could afford to look after themselves into their old age too, but the people who can’t will be desperate for a baby boy – and the pictures from within China that my colleague had to copy showed the conditions that the discarded girl babies had to live and die in were much worse than in those infamous Romanian orphanages.
Sorry Multirole – if you were from Rwanda, Iraq, Pinochet-era Chile, or Stalinist era Russia, etc, would you be defending their history of crowd control too? – Nermal”
these are the choices of individuals, not the government, the one child policy helped to stop a bady-boom in its tracks. while some parents do go to extreme lengths to get a boy, the now more flexibale policy means that baby girls being aboandoned are extremely rare.
the fact of the matter is that those families that abandon baby girls are probably those who are so poor that they would have had to do it anyways even if they were allowed to have as many kids as they wished. there is little any gov could do about this except to increase the standard of living for all chinese so that fewer families are faced with that choice.
often, when children are abandoned, they are left in corwed places so that ppl can easily find them, and the vast majority are found and sent to orthanages, and ppl dont get to see that as its not dramatic enough.
i have no idea why some parents would choose to leave their own children where ppl are unlikely to find them, and i hold no sympathese for such ppl, but apparently every generation in very nation have such ppl, and there is little anyone else can do about them.:(
plawolf“Who knows, although there are now and then nasty rumours about people being killed for their organs”
the ppl who do that are some of the ones who are exicuted if caught.
plawolf“Who knows, although there are now and then nasty rumours about people being killed for their organs”
the ppl who do that are some of the ones who are exicuted if caught.
plawolfhummm……interesting….
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