plawolfRE: Things that really tick me off with the forum
good topic wambat, and also a very good posting to start off this discussion.
while if may be a little anoying to have too many posts abt seemingly stupid things, but many of them do turn out to be very interesting if not entertaining. also they do bring a breath of fresh air into this forum, so the atomsphere is not too seriouse or charged up.
but hey, if u dont like those topics, u can always skip them. no one is forceing u to read or post in them.
but totally agree with ur point on keeping discussions on topic. i myself have gone off topic quite a few times, and would like to apologise to everyone if it has caused any incovenience or anoyences.
plawolfRE: Things that really tick me off with the forum
good topic wambat, and also a very good posting to start off this discussion.
while if may be a little anoying to have too many posts abt seemingly stupid things, but many of them do turn out to be very interesting if not entertaining. also they do bring a breath of fresh air into this forum, so the atomsphere is not too seriouse or charged up.
but hey, if u dont like those topics, u can always skip them. no one is forceing u to read or post in them.
but totally agree with ur point on keeping discussions on topic. i myself have gone off topic quite a few times, and would like to apologise to everyone if it has caused any incovenience or anoyences.
plawolfRE: Clash of civilization?
jeb,
im glad and releaved that at least some americans can still be so understanding and open to suggestions, and not just blinded by anger like ur leaders.
i think pretty much everyone agrees with u that al-Q doesnt give a toss abt the palastinians, and are just using them to ster up hatred and resentment towards america. but u have to admit that the resson al-Q is so strong is because of the palastinian stiuation. would they have been able to do 9/11 if there werent ppl desperate and angery enough to be willing to die just to hurt the US?
the ’70 virgin’ thing may be ture in some cases, but the ppl that fly the planes on 9/11 were well educated and succeseful ppl with everything to live for. i dont think they would have been willing to die for a fairy tale.
as for the irish example, well im sorry if there was any confusion. i did not mean to compair the IRA with al-Q. im merely saying that the only effective weapon against terrists who turely beleive what they’re doing is right, is to talk and listen to them, and not to crush them, because u cant crush them.
these ‘terrists’ are not in it for money or power, they are not mersanaries that will jump ship when things get tough, they’re just normal ppl that are so desperate that they just cant stay silent any more. killing them will only create marters, and in turn stimulate more ppl to jion in their case.
al-Q is no such orginisation, but the only reason they are so strong is because their footsoilders are such ppl.
the only way to fully destroy al-Q is to take away its footsoilders, via sorting out the palastinian dispute openly and fairly.
how much harm do u think bin laddern can do if he no longer have ppl willing to die for him? do u think he would be willing to fly a plane into a building himself?
plawolfRE: Clash of civilization?
jeb,
im glad and releaved that at least some americans can still be so understanding and open to suggestions, and not just blinded by anger like ur leaders.
i think pretty much everyone agrees with u that al-Q doesnt give a toss abt the palastinians, and are just using them to ster up hatred and resentment towards america. but u have to admit that the resson al-Q is so strong is because of the palastinian stiuation. would they have been able to do 9/11 if there werent ppl desperate and angery enough to be willing to die just to hurt the US?
the ’70 virgin’ thing may be ture in some cases, but the ppl that fly the planes on 9/11 were well educated and succeseful ppl with everything to live for. i dont think they would have been willing to die for a fairy tale.
as for the irish example, well im sorry if there was any confusion. i did not mean to compair the IRA with al-Q. im merely saying that the only effective weapon against terrists who turely beleive what they’re doing is right, is to talk and listen to them, and not to crush them, because u cant crush them.
these ‘terrists’ are not in it for money or power, they are not mersanaries that will jump ship when things get tough, they’re just normal ppl that are so desperate that they just cant stay silent any more. killing them will only create marters, and in turn stimulate more ppl to jion in their case.
al-Q is no such orginisation, but the only reason they are so strong is because their footsoilders are such ppl.
the only way to fully destroy al-Q is to take away its footsoilders, via sorting out the palastinian dispute openly and fairly.
how much harm do u think bin laddern can do if he no longer have ppl willing to die for him? do u think he would be willing to fly a plane into a building himself?
plawolfRE: UN vs US
intresting mix
plawolfRE: UN vs US
intresting mix
plawolfRE: gee, when did this turn into another anti-europe topic
im not trying to, or even wish to justify it, cos as u said, some things are just absolutely wrong.
what i meant is that there are reasons why what happened happened.
dont forget that it was ur CIA that created bin ladern and co. how many russian did al-Q kill? im not just talking abt the soilders, how many russian civilians were killed by terrist bombs ? how many palistimans were killed by israeli tanks and bombs and bullets? how many of them were ‘combatants’ and how many were civilians?
i hate to say it, but it was america’s actions that partly cause 9/11. im not saying that america deserved it, im just saying that ur lack of understanding and even compation in ur forgen policies fueled the hatred that grow so great, that ppl were willing to kill themselves just to hurt u. dont that at least make u think a little?
bin lardern and co may be manipulating desperate ppl to achive their goals, but the desperation and anger is very real, and alot of it is caused by america or its allies.
history has shown time and time again that vilance cannot stop terrism. u dont have to look far to find an example of how governments should deal with terrism, just take a look at ur best freind britain’s example.
if the british had not listerned and delt with the grevences of the irish ppl, bombs would probably still be going off all over england and N iriland. but instead of trying to kill everyone that had grevences, they stopped shooting and started talking.
i can understand that america can never forget or forgive what bin laddern did, that is natural. but what u can do is take away the ppl that r willing to die for bin laddern. and i dont mean kill them.
plawolfRE: gee, when did this turn into another anti-europe topic
im not trying to, or even wish to justify it, cos as u said, some things are just absolutely wrong.
what i meant is that there are reasons why what happened happened.
dont forget that it was ur CIA that created bin ladern and co. how many russian did al-Q kill? im not just talking abt the soilders, how many russian civilians were killed by terrist bombs ? how many palistimans were killed by israeli tanks and bombs and bullets? how many of them were ‘combatants’ and how many were civilians?
i hate to say it, but it was america’s actions that partly cause 9/11. im not saying that america deserved it, im just saying that ur lack of understanding and even compation in ur forgen policies fueled the hatred that grow so great, that ppl were willing to kill themselves just to hurt u. dont that at least make u think a little?
bin lardern and co may be manipulating desperate ppl to achive their goals, but the desperation and anger is very real, and alot of it is caused by america or its allies.
history has shown time and time again that vilance cannot stop terrism. u dont have to look far to find an example of how governments should deal with terrism, just take a look at ur best freind britain’s example.
if the british had not listerned and delt with the grevences of the irish ppl, bombs would probably still be going off all over england and N iriland. but instead of trying to kill everyone that had grevences, they stopped shooting and started talking.
i can understand that america can never forget or forgive what bin laddern did, that is natural. but what u can do is take away the ppl that r willing to die for bin laddern. and i dont mean kill them.
plawolfRE: UN vs US
haha, u europeans have a great scence of humour.
but dont u think this over does it a little? he is after all the head of a state, like him or not, we should show a bit of respect, if only for the benefit of not having to spend another dozn posts fighting with our american friends. }>
plawolfRE: UN vs US
haha, u europeans have a great scence of humour.
but dont u think this over does it a little? he is after all the head of a state, like him or not, we should show a bit of respect, if only for the benefit of not having to spend another dozn posts fighting with our american friends. }>
plawolfRE: gee, when did this turn into another anti-europe topic
[updated:LAST EDITED ON 27-09-02 AT 08:10 PM (GMT)]let me think, oh yes, it was right after cyruss jioned in. i have noticed that whenever u jion into a topic, the discution goes completely off topic. in the end, everything turns into anti-euro, anti-us anti chinese etc.
please, if ur bored go watch TV; if u want to satisfy ur ego, go jion the airforce; if u just want a fight, go into a black naborhood and start shouting racest remarks. }> but please stop wasting our time.
“Third, the Chinese just hate the fact that America is powerful enough to do what they can only dream of at the moment…so they denounce everything we do just to make themselves feel better.”
please, spare me this propaganda crap. did u ever stop to realise that its not just us chinese that are opposed to some of ur ‘crusades’. its pretty much the whole world – britain.
newsflash, what is good for the US is not always whats good for most of the world.
before, we can take it because at least america showed a little bit of repect and understanding, but now u have gotten so full of urselves that u think its a crime against humanity to oppose the US in any way what so ever.
being a democracy, u would think that americans would understand that the few cannot impose their wishes on the many. this has been shown countless times throughout history. country gets strong, country gets proud, country treats rest like dirt, rest of the world rises up, strong country gets not so strong.
the lessons of history are written in blood, but america just chooses to ignors it as they think that cos they’re so strong, those rules dont apply to them. maybe they’re right, but even if they are, countless ppl, both american and non-american will die to prove it. wouldnt it be alot easier and less costly to just treat the rest of the world like equal human being, which we are, and live together in reletive peace?
and please dont use the ‘we got attacked first, and r just defending ourselves’ excuse. if u had been fair in the isreali v palistinian dispute and other matter, none of that would have happened. would it cost american lives to tell sharon to just pack it in and talk with the palastinian intead of at them?
on the matter of iraq, do u seriously think the whole world would be against removing saddam? what everyone is uneasy abt is the thought that america can choose to fight and effectively conquore another country for no justifiable reason other then that will be good for the US.
saddam is a power mad butthole and few would be unhappy to see him go, there is no denying that, but he has done, and can do nothing against the west or any other country for that matter.
if america can squeeze attacking iraq under the ‘anti-terririst’ brolly, then whats to stop GW from pointing his finger at ukrain and saying, gee, ur nukes arent safe in ur hands, let our inspectors go in and ‘secure’ them or else. once we get into that kind of a viciouse circle, then it will be exccedingly difficult to pull out of it without WWlll starting. is that what u want? cos thats what ur likely to get if america continuse on this dangerous path.
plawolfRE: gee, when did this turn into another anti-europe topic
[updated:LAST EDITED ON 27-09-02 AT 08:10 PM (GMT)]let me think, oh yes, it was right after cyruss jioned in. i have noticed that whenever u jion into a topic, the discution goes completely off topic. in the end, everything turns into anti-euro, anti-us anti chinese etc.
please, if ur bored go watch TV; if u want to satisfy ur ego, go jion the airforce; if u just want a fight, go into a black naborhood and start shouting racest remarks. }> but please stop wasting our time.
“Third, the Chinese just hate the fact that America is powerful enough to do what they can only dream of at the moment…so they denounce everything we do just to make themselves feel better.”
please, spare me this propaganda crap. did u ever stop to realise that its not just us chinese that are opposed to some of ur ‘crusades’. its pretty much the whole world – britain.
newsflash, what is good for the US is not always whats good for most of the world.
before, we can take it because at least america showed a little bit of repect and understanding, but now u have gotten so full of urselves that u think its a crime against humanity to oppose the US in any way what so ever.
being a democracy, u would think that americans would understand that the few cannot impose their wishes on the many. this has been shown countless times throughout history. country gets strong, country gets proud, country treats rest like dirt, rest of the world rises up, strong country gets not so strong.
the lessons of history are written in blood, but america just chooses to ignors it as they think that cos they’re so strong, those rules dont apply to them. maybe they’re right, but even if they are, countless ppl, both american and non-american will die to prove it. wouldnt it be alot easier and less costly to just treat the rest of the world like equal human being, which we are, and live together in reletive peace?
and please dont use the ‘we got attacked first, and r just defending ourselves’ excuse. if u had been fair in the isreali v palistinian dispute and other matter, none of that would have happened. would it cost american lives to tell sharon to just pack it in and talk with the palastinian intead of at them?
on the matter of iraq, do u seriously think the whole world would be against removing saddam? what everyone is uneasy abt is the thought that america can choose to fight and effectively conquore another country for no justifiable reason other then that will be good for the US.
saddam is a power mad butthole and few would be unhappy to see him go, there is no denying that, but he has done, and can do nothing against the west or any other country for that matter.
if america can squeeze attacking iraq under the ‘anti-terririst’ brolly, then whats to stop GW from pointing his finger at ukrain and saying, gee, ur nukes arent safe in ur hands, let our inspectors go in and ‘secure’ them or else. once we get into that kind of a viciouse circle, then it will be exccedingly difficult to pull out of it without WWlll starting. is that what u want? cos thats what ur likely to get if america continuse on this dangerous path.
plawolfRE: China’s accelerating growth, implications?
very interesting post vertex.
since u can understand that soviet propaganda probably manipulated the turth, then if u extend that logic, it is entirly possible that america and western governments did the same. especially during the cold war when everyone was trying to gain the moral high ground.
im sure u can find alot of ‘prof’ to show that i am wrong, but i can do the same. the simple fact is that every single country in the world writes history in a slightly different way to everyone else, in which the role of their country is enthisied or ‘enhenced’, that is y it is practically a waste of time to discuss history on an interational forum such as this one, where everyone is tought slightly differently, so lets just say that germany and japan would not have been defented so comprehensively if improtant members did not join in the war.
WWll is the best example of humanity as a whole forgeting our differences and jioning forces to fight a common enemy. and ultimitly save the world from ruthless nazi occupation and oppretion.
we all did good, cant we just leave it as that, give ourselves and each other a pat on the back, instead of fighting abt who did what?
plawolfRE: China’s accelerating growth, implications?
very interesting post vertex.
since u can understand that soviet propaganda probably manipulated the turth, then if u extend that logic, it is entirly possible that america and western governments did the same. especially during the cold war when everyone was trying to gain the moral high ground.
im sure u can find alot of ‘prof’ to show that i am wrong, but i can do the same. the simple fact is that every single country in the world writes history in a slightly different way to everyone else, in which the role of their country is enthisied or ‘enhenced’, that is y it is practically a waste of time to discuss history on an interational forum such as this one, where everyone is tought slightly differently, so lets just say that germany and japan would not have been defented so comprehensively if improtant members did not join in the war.
WWll is the best example of humanity as a whole forgeting our differences and jioning forces to fight a common enemy. and ultimitly save the world from ruthless nazi occupation and oppretion.
we all did good, cant we just leave it as that, give ourselves and each other a pat on the back, instead of fighting abt who did what?
plawolfRE: How does the US counter the Iraqi WMD’s?
nice one ja, but i think it would be more ‘realistic’ if GW was in the basement of an airforce base, just like when the twin tawers were hit.
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