so how do you explain the different angle and the crude pixel haze around the J-10 if its only ‘high lighted’??

There is no ‘standard’ angle for a plane to take off, as for the ‘pixel haze’, well look hard enough and you’ll get the hint of one around that J11 as well. It sometimes happens.

Something you are not seeing is the heat distortion under the J11. Its too far ahead to be caused by the J11’s own engines, and the image is crystal clear in front of it, so its not caused by weather conditions. Ergo, another plane should be right about where the J10 is in that shot. The lighting is also consistent, and most importantly, there is zero need for the PLA to supply PSed pics to the official state mouthpeice news agency when they got real pics a plenty.

Quite interesting two very clear pictures of the no. 1004 prototype and the 1006 with and without the IFR-probe …. here are more from 1006 with bombs !

PS: CAn anyone explain, why everytime the PL-8’s were errased ! :confused:

Deino

Maybe the people at the Press core thought the big red training rounds spoilt the overall effect? Or purhaps the planes were carrying something else that the censors didn’t want shown, maybe PL12s?

Has no-one noticed that this is probably the worlds worst Photoshopped image?

(not that it detracts from the others though)

Don’t be so sure that its is PSed. The flanker in the background is out of focus because of the heated jetwash from the engine of the J10 and it also a bit further out. It would look more like a PS job if both were perfectly in focus. Besides, that pic has the Xinhua news agency watermark, meaning that those pics came straight from the Chinese government and military. If they wanted a posy picture that has both the J10 and J11 in some dramatic pose to woo the masses, then they got it. Zero need to PS.

Is the WZ10 a license manufactured Tiger ? or Rovialk or something?

Are they still trying to get western tech for it?

Here we go again. :rolleyes: Everytime a new Chinese design is reveiled some people always want to think its a copy of something else.

Look up the larger, more detailed pics of the WZ10 and you will find many major design differences from any existing attack helo.

The WZ10 has been in development for at least a decade and is not a licence copy or knock off of anything else.

There were reports years back that Eurocopter is supplying the main transmission for the WZ10, and may well have also made other contributions to the project. But such involvement does not make the WZ10 a Tiger varient.

BVR should go to the superbug, but thats more down to the missile then the radar. Although if the reported survice ceiling of 20km is true for the J10, then the superbug will struggle to match the J10 for reached.

When it gets to WVR, the superbug will probably have a hard time even with Aim9X. Don’t forget that the J10 has HMS guided IRAAMs as well, and with a design optimised for both low and high speed handling, the J10 should be able to ask questions the superbug will struggle to answer, specially in multi-ship furballs. Add in the prospect of TVC equiped J10s (which might be combat ready be the time the RAAF gets its superbugs) and WVR looks pretty grim for the superbug.

The superbug should win more then it looses, but it will be a close run thing, and not a whitewash as some here seem to think.

‘Swing-role’ is just a fancy salespitch term dreamed up by sales people to hype a moderate improvement over established multi-role radar and avionics packages that offers little substantive advanatges in real combat scenarios.

Existing multi-role radars can use BVRAAMs just as well as ‘swing role’ radars, and being ‘swing role’ doesn’t count for crap in a dogfight. Established multi-role radars can also conduct A-A and A-G in a single mission. The question is why anyone would want to. If you haven’t won air superiority, having fully loaded strike packages wondering around without escort is just asking for trouble, and if you have already won air superiority, the odd enemy boggies that might pop up sometimes will only be an annoyance, and under such consitions, even BVRAAM armed dedicated strikers would be able to take them out with ease.

Well as for the J-10 all I can say is that it is a very interesting plane.

Sadly alot of people have missed something really important in one of the pics, please allow me:

What the devil is the helo in the back ground?

That pic cropped up months ago. 😉

Its the WZ10 attack helo in the background, and since the pic first came to light, more detailed pics of the WZ10 have also surfaced, most of which you can find in this thread.