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October 25, 2010 at 1:32 pm in reply to: The "Wot Plane" Thread. (Game rules in Post #1) #1097172

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Jawohl, Thomas!

Over to you.

Dear all!

Thanks that you didn’t wait for me – as I’m heavily under stress right now (one day at home only between travelling [and most probably no INet connection in the next two weeks]). Will post again after my return from holidays…

Kind regards,
Thomas

October 22, 2010 at 2:46 pm in reply to: The "Wot Plane" Thread. (Game rules in Post #1) #1099955

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In John’s absence, I’ll try again… I’m sure it wouldn’t stump him for more than a millisecond! :diablo:

I took this photo years ago, so it’s not exactly pretty.

Hello everybody!

What about a Barkley Grow T8P-1?

Thomas

October 3, 2010 at 5:10 pm in reply to: The "Wot Plane" Thread. (Game rules in Post #1) #1120973

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Thanks Thomas
I did not know about accidents with the type !!
Did one of these gliders return to Germany within the last 12 months ?vaguely remember something about it.

Open house…I have no pics difficult enough for you guys 😀

rgds baz

baz,

Sorry, I don’t know of any example having just returned to Germany. However, if you google the designation you will find a sales offer (of D-8476). Perhaps that example has been bought by somebody from Germany…

You will also find a website dedicated to the type – but it doesn’t contain much information as yet (and is only in German language)!

Thomas

October 3, 2010 at 2:43 pm in reply to: The "Wot Plane" Thread. (Game rules in Post #1) #1121084

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Looks similar to the Allgaier GEIER 11,canopy could have been modified ??

edit…translates as ‘Vulture’ LOL 😀

Congratulalions!

It IS the Allgaier Geier IIB (II as in the Roman Two). The plane – of which about 10 were built – has a reputation for being a bit difficult to handle, especially with regards to spinning. It is alleged to have killed one of its two producers (Mr. Rock).

Over to you and a nice rest of the weekend….

Thomas

October 3, 2010 at 9:28 am in reply to: The "Wot Plane" Thread. (Game rules in Post #1) #1121218

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Unfortunately because of the “over painting”, of which the reason is obvious, I can’t tell what the construction is. Is it a wooden monocoque? and does the wing have a double taper?

John

After trying to get “fool-proof” translations (I have to be careful in the future -> “obviously”) and also look up my available information about the type, I can answer your two questions as follows:

a) construction is definitely “wood”. I’m not sure about the monocoque, but that is due to having not found any detailed information about the construction in my records.

b) Translating “taper” with “trapez-förmig”, it looks to me from other photos that the wing is tapered but not double-tapered. Unfortunately I don’t have a three-view drawing so I am not 100 % sure.

Thomas

October 3, 2010 at 9:06 am in reply to: The "Wot Plane" Thread. (Game rules in Post #1) #1121225

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Dear John and Laurence!

I have the feeling that I touched a “sensitive” point by using the word “obviously”….

Please rest assured that I didn’t want to criticize or even insult you! For me – as a former glider pilot, however – the fact that this machine is not built from GRP is pretty obvious, although I couldn’t say precisely why – except that the general design and all the forms are not really plastic-like. Mea culpa, mea culpa…

@ Chris: No, it’s not a Hütter H-30 (but not a bad guess, since that plane constitutes a construction that changed from wooden to plastic construction) If you really meant “Glasflügel” (literally: “glass wings” in german), probably the H-301 (developed from the Hütter H-30), this must again be wrong since it was GRP-only. The name “Glasflügel” indicates that this company was the first sailplane manufacturer that really built exclusively in GRP from its beginnings..

The next hints for solving the mystery are that the plane is not “Standard Class”, ie. it doesn’t have 15 m span but 17,76 metres (at least ex-works). It is also not an obscure prototype but was built in (a relatively small) series.

Thomas

October 2, 2010 at 10:07 am in reply to: The "Wot Plane" Thread. (Game rules in Post #1) #1122157

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Dear all!

It is neither an SF-27 nor a D 34 nor a Siebert Sie 3 nor the fs 24 Phoenix (the first sailplane made from GRP – which the plane in question is obviously not consisting of).

The picture was also NOT made in the museum at the Wasserkuppe – but during one of the AERO exhibitions in Friedrichshafen (I believe 1983 – in which case the exhibition was still called the RMF).

Another hint is that the construction is German (although this reduces the pool of available answers a mere 15-20 %…).

Thomas

September 30, 2010 at 8:01 pm in reply to: The "Wot Plane" Thread. (Game rules in Post #1) #1124405

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@ RT: Glad that I was right – it was a “shot from the hip”, since I didn’t find any photo in the INet and couldn’t look the type up in my “paper” records at home at the time… Special greetings also from Leverkusen!

And here’s the next challenge – a glider (which I noticed aren’t so popular in this threat:()

Thomas

September 30, 2010 at 9:32 am in reply to: The "Wot Plane" Thread. (Game rules in Post #1) #1125481

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Good morning!

This could be a Landmann L 16 (Lerche/Heidelerche) motorglider from East Germany.

Thomas

July 5, 2010 at 5:51 am in reply to: The "Wot Plane" Thread. (Game rules in Post #1) #1090758

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It looks amazingly similar to the plane in the EAA Museum collection..Pheasant H-10 Even has the same layout of the two color paint scheme.

Good morning!

And indeed, it is the Pheasant H-10 (the foto was taken by me in the AirVenture Museum at Oshkosh in the summer of 2001).

If my sources are correct, the manufacturer is also from Wisconsin and existed (under that name) only for about two years at the end of the 1920s.

BARNSTORMER – it’s your turn…

Thomas

July 4, 2010 at 9:56 pm in reply to: The "Wot Plane" Thread. (Game rules in Post #1) #1090984

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Hello again!

Albatross – interesting what some people would eat. No – it’s not an Albatross.

If you would like to explore another way of solving the mystery: Perhaps it’s worthwhile to look a bit closer at the background/surroundings.

One can (just) see another plane that I’ve recently posted as a plane to identify in the German equivalent to this thread (Flugzeugforum.de, Thread “Bilderrätselrunde 2010” under “Dies & Das”). From the plane in question or the location one should be able to find out the plane here….

Have a nice evening,
Thomas

July 4, 2010 at 5:17 pm in reply to: The "Wot Plane" Thread. (Game rules in Post #1) #1091420

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Sorry Gentlemen – no Swallow!

Although (I don’ know if that really helps…) – the bird is edible, i.e. to eat it would be quite normal here in Europe.

Thomas

July 4, 2010 at 9:53 am in reply to: The "Wot Plane" Thread. (Game rules in Post #1) #1092158

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Nobody??

Okay here are the first hints:

The manufacturer is named after a bird, which can be found in Europe (such as in the UK, France, Germany…) but also in other parts of the world. The manufacturer itself (the company), however, is from a continent that starts with an “A”.

Thomas

July 2, 2010 at 9:38 pm in reply to: The "Wot Plane" Thread. (Game rules in Post #1) #1093283

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Here’s the next challenge (I hope!):

July 2, 2010 at 2:18 pm in reply to: The "Wot Plane" Thread. (Game rules in Post #1) #1093841

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OK, I’ll give it a try:

It’s a Harlow (California, usually radials, PCJ = Pacific Junior College, …) but which one…

My guess: PJC-4 (of which I can find next to nothing)

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