1. there exist Migs-21MF with BIS cockpit panels
2. the wider spin-tank and inlet lip ring can be removed and reinstalled with a other one at the regiment maintenance shop level.Unless, you provide something more valuable than “If something looks like” as your evidence, then I have no problem to believe you that it is the BIS.
” inlet lip ring can be removed and reinstalled with a other one at the regiment maintenance shop level “
NO.
On MiG-21bis the nose section is completely different than on previous variant.
Not only the nose steel-ring.
This is one of the reasons, why the intake is the key feature to recognize 21bis airframes from far view.
For example the MiG-21ST looks same like 21bis, except the air intake.
” Unless, you provide something more valuable than “If something looks like” as your evidence, then I have no problem to believe you that it is the BIS.”
If something looks like – air intake, spin-tank – it means 21bis airframe.
The MiG-21bis is very different under the skin, then previous sub-types, have a lot of strenghtened part of the airframe, diff equipments etc..
This is not LEGO.
You can built in some older equipments, engines in to 21bis airframe, but the basic airframe, mainly the air-intake is something like trademark of the 21bis.
martinez!
If something looks like 21bis – that is MiG-21bis.
There were NO other sub-type name for Mig-21bis with downgraded equipment.
The 21s in Beograd are definitely 21bis – bigger intake, cockpit, spin-tank…
I believe you should stick to that if it is true. But even if I`ve never seen a SM, SMT, ST nor BIS aircraft “passports”, I`ve seen plenty of Mig-21PF, PFM, M, MF, R, US, UM. I doubt the passport of Iraqi Mig-21 in Yugoslavia said anything similar like SM. See following pics, taken from various Mig-21 passports, usually there is written a code, the “izdelie” of aircraft and engine or an aircraft construction/engine number. Never a commercial name, like PFM, M, MF, R, UM….etc
Could be also surely wrong, bcs Migs-21SM/MF were equiped with R-13-300, whereas the Mig-21SMT the predecessor of Mig-21ST with the modified R-13F-300 engine. You mentioned that before, Iraqi Migs-21 were some kind of BA$TARDS, smaller intake(maybe SM/MF sized??), engine R-13-300 from older SM models, the SMT sized spine(fuel tank), additional turbo cooler for avionics/engine, modified avionics like the added RSBN antenna on a/c intake and some other changes…
I have a theory but you wont like it. 🙂 Those Iraqi Migs-21 in Yugoslavia were partly worn-out SM models from Soviet regiments, then overhauled, modified and then sold to Iraq. How typical for that times and Soviets dealing with non-trustworthy Arab countries
martinez!
Iraqi MiG-21s have bigger – bis size – air-intake, with bis-form nose-ring.
> The airframe is 21bis.
The airfame is more important, than the engine.
I have photos of 515.iap. MiG-21SM – with smaller intake – with R25 engine.
Also, there were many MiG-21bis with R13-300 engine at Kusovskoye training regiment in SSSR.
So where is the difference between the intakes? The colour?!
And can you post any factory documents that were – according to your post – checked and that show it is an ST?
hauki!
If you can not see the difference, I can not help you:
Sveto!
Can you post an image of the air-intake of those ex-Iraqi MiG-21STs ?
Very easy to recognize the difference between 21bis and 21ST by air intake.
You can see an ST here:
http://flickr.com/photos/dannergyde/276155106/in/pool-mig21
This plane have checked factory papers.
This is a MiG-21SMT airframe with MiG-21bis-size spine-tank = MiG-21ST.
http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=76cutcl9.jpg
http://plasticwings.hu/21/details/big/mfbis.jpg
MiG-21SMT, ST have this type of air-intake:
http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=smtat8.jpg
MiG-21bis has completely different type of intake:
http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bison9.jpg
And also, different diameter, but we can not check that on photos.
MiG-21SMT, ST – 870mm
MiG-21bis – 900mm
” Cold-War era military aviation photos – Behind the Iron Curtain “:
http://flickr.com/photos/26486522@N06/sets/72157605005159035/
rare pics…
This is the real, first-hand information.
Thank you very much !!
Ethiopian MiG-21’s beining overhauled in Odessa.
Photoshop or real overpaint ?
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/339/mig21flcopyfa5.jpg
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=166335&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1224322172
http://forcesdz.forumactif.com/armee-de-l-air-f2/mig-21-algeriens-t281-135.htm
It’a MiG-21 RF, special version built for Egypt only. It is basically an MF with the gun replaced by cameras and same wingtip jammers like the MiG-21R.
Its advantage compared to the R is that it can take a fuel tank on the centerline station, which is taken up by the recon pod on the R version.
1052 & 1058 probably MiG-21bis.
They have same fat spin-tank like 21bis, but only one weapon pylon/wing.
Hmmm…interesting.
As I know all R & RF version produced with MF-size spin-tank.
IRAF_PILOT!
Do you know them?
http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=21910252ao1.jpg
http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=98860246ty4.jpg
My photos from Sovietunion, Kusovskoye AB, May 1st 1980.
Sorry guys….it is bit off topic here….
IRAF_PILOT!
Can you tell me, how long was your MiG-25 type conversion training?
In Iraq or in SSSR?
Please, tell me the name of the airbase in Sovietunion, where you get training for MiG-21MF…and year?…
If these are not too personal questions.
My photo from Krasnodar 1978:
http://flickr.com/photos/26486522@N06/2486548248/in/set-72157605005159035/
Mongolian AF:
Fishbedfan!
The book will come out mid-summer in this year.
Can you open the book?
How many previously unpublished photos are in?
Any good photos of operational aircrafts of Soviet AF from the 70s 80s at frontline units like – for example – 16.VA.?
Yefim Gordons other MiG-21 related publications were illustrated with very poor, boring photographic materials.
Development photos, and other not too interesting pictures, that you can find anywhere else….
http://iap-82.moifoto.ru/26375/s3
http://iap-82.moifoto.ru/26375/s1
Interesting( I think more interesting – again – than those, that are in YG books) photos from the album of a Russian pilot: