The video is LOONEY toon , ask all the members on this forum and 8/10 will agree . You wont convince star,mig-23 or chrom so dont even bother . We have all tried but given up . There are far better things that a person can do !!
I would give a bit of credit to the features of the Su-35 shown on the video, however, I am completely with u on the potrayed battle and capabilities of AWACs and Typhoon being LOONEY toon! 🙂
The Funny thing is both videos claim both a theoretical result, the reality is more complex and the Su-35 is not an easy victim but the Su-35BM is not going to be easy to shoot down even the old MiG-31 armed with R-37s can do the job and kill typhoons even armed with Meteor 😉
Just because u said so? :rolleyes:
What if I made the exact same statements about Typhoon… do I sound credible? :p
The cruel reality is the Typhoon is not going to be as good as portraited because the enemy is as good as it.
Once again, what cruel reality are u refering to? Just because u said so? :rolleyes:
So far u have not provided much facts on ur arguments and all u have mentioned are either ur opinions or some propaganda-ed videos…
Not fictional simply they show an ideal scenario, it is not unlikely but it is not as easy as it might seem, in theory the Su-35BM should be as good as that.
Ideal? Throw away the AWACS from the picture and replace the Typhoons with Spitfires/Zeros… then yes I would agree that video will work both in theory and reality! :rolleyes:
This video here, though fictional as well, potray a much closer scenario than the one u posted. And I’m refering to the part where Typhoon engages the Su-35 at the last section of the video… enjoy! 😉
This an excellent video about the future Su-35BM and how it will be able to destroy the Eurofighter
Indeed an excellent video, however contents are largely fictional at best…
Well let`s say no one at this moment has proven any fact with authentic manual information or video images but i am pretty sure there are no videos of the Eurofighter doing cobra maneuvres or Cobra turns in the thread
The actual combat value of cobra is very much unknown… the only thing it is confirmed is that the ability to do a cobra shows ur aircraft’s pointability. I dun think u need to do cobra maneuvers to show ur aircraft’s pointability. Moreover there are plenty of air maneuvers out there, how can u judge one’s maneuverability based on ONE air maneuver?
In fact the Eurofighter group is the one claiming no one has better agility than the Eurofighter at supersonic speed, there is no proof in pilots manuals either about the Su-35 or Eurofighter that proves that beyond the Eurofighter group claims
No one here has ever flown a Typhoon nor Flanker and probably no one here designed and built fighters aerodynamics. But most of us here in this forum would agree, in theory, that a delta based canard equipped fighter for most cases have better flight performance in the transonic and supersonic regime than fighters with other layout.
And Su-35, which is based on Su-27, is an airframe that is optimised for superb subsonic maneuverability… however it doesn’t seems to me that its a supersonic performer!
The website seems to be very much in favor of Australia getting Raptors rather than Typhoons. Pretty bias website imo. I could be wrong though…
EDIT: I do agree with the article that Typhoon is an aircraft that is F/A-18C sized but performed much like an F-15 sized fighter.
The word Thrust Vectoring tells you everything
Thrust:A driving force or pressure.The forward-directed force developed in a jet or rocket engine as a reaction to the high-velocity rearward ejection of exhaust gases.Vector: a straight line segment whose length is magnitude and whose orientation in space is direction
straight line – a line traced by a point traveling in a constant direction; a line of zero curvature; “the shortest distance between two points is a straight line”
ray – (mathematics) a straight line extending from a point
I’m pretty much english educated so no need for Oxford explainations…
in few words thrust vecoring gives you the ability of of change the direction of flight without little aerodynamic control.
But in high speed, the advantages of TV control over aerodynamic control is pretty much non-existent.
The Su-35 is quit agile even without thrust vectoring, this talks a lot about its aerodynamic qualities
The same can be said about all Euro-canards, Mig-29 variants, F/A-18 variants, etc…
Su-35 is probably not as agile as say the Typhoon in transonic regime, neither does it has significantly more pointability in slow speed than say the Super Hornet…
it is maneouvrability, why do you think newer aircraft have thrust vectoring nozzles, because pointing the nose with out changing your flight path is called super maneouvrability and the Su-35 achieves that even without thrust vectoring 😉
I don’t think having TVC means that you have super maneuverability. Because it is largely for low speed nose pointing and post stall maneuvers. Other benefits are probably shorter take off.
Any active canard delta would probably out maneuver Su-37 in the transonic and supersonic regime in most cases given similar pilot capabilities.
Therefore, imo, even though Su-35 is highly maneuverable, is not the most maneuverable fighter in all aspect.
Somehow this variable geometry aircraft is quite a looker… definitely as good looking as F-14, F-111, Tornado, etc…
oh so the article is actually meant for Pakistan… but then again, FC is the designation for China while JF is the one for Pakistan, right? So it doesn’t make sense for CAC to name it FC-20, but rather should be FC-2 instead…
That article seems to suggest that the export designation of the J-10 is FC-20? Seems weird to me…
Do you happen to have the high-res version of these beautiful pictures?
The paint job on the F-15K Slam Eagle looks pretty decent. Any proposed paint job for the F-15SG Strike Eagle? Will it be the gray tone type or will it be similar to the USAF matt black tone? 😎
wow… thats really one glossy plane! :diablo:
I stand corrected, however the Mirage 2000 strakes work very similar to a canard, they are not working as ventral fins but since the IAI Kfir and Mirage 4000 have bigger fixed canards than the small strakes that the Mirage 2000 has also add lift
I always thought Mirage 4000 has movable canards? The pictures u posted seem to suggest that too… its quite different from the Mirage 2000 strakes.
Strake and canards what is the difference? foreplanes are moveable, the JAS-39, Eurofighter have forerplanes, the Kfir, Mirage 2000 have strakes or canards because these are fixed and have the only function of creating vortexes
The Mirage 4000 and Mirage 2000 have canards fixed to the inlet trunks, the Mirage 4000 canards are very easy to recognize, the Mirage 2000 canards are so small that sometimes are called strakes however both fixed canards and strakes have the same function
If Mirage 2000’s strakes are considered canards, then based on your arguments, Typhoon is an aircraft of its own category – Double Canards Delta!!! :diablo: :rolleyes: