I remember visiting the site in the mid seventies.Industrial buildings were encroaching on the field, but the old petrol pumps were still in place and i remember a sign for “Air Kruise” on or near the hangar.
In fact looking at google it looks like the hangar still exists on the western side.
They certainly lost a gem when the terminal went.
On a rather gloomy local note; Plymouth Airport is going for development and another link with pre-war flying will be lost.
Good Lord we are no-where near up to 1980 yet,i was parked between a morris minor woodie and a 1964 E Type in Hayle (birthplace of the motor car) this morning, and Falmouth had the Red Arrows yesterday.
However its all getting a bit “high tec” now that the gas lamps have gone.
By the way our local boys in blue have set off “east” to quell your riots up there,with stocks of overbaked pasties to hurl at the miscreants.
Air South West—-Flybe
Interesting post Chitts,but if Flybe are so keen on the “deep west” why did they not simply absorb ASW rather that promote a price cutting exercise.
I would have thought the slots would have made it worthwhile !!
(how was the Rans with the glass !!)
It appears that ASW was virtually given away without any guarantees; a sad end considering its asssociation with Plymouth (Brymon) and the pioneering work done at London City and the original St Mawgan-Heathrow (Herald) operation.
On a commercial basis the Plymouth area itself has seen a substantial down-turn in employment and the University does not generate enough traffic to make up the difference.
Newquay is in the same position except that Cornwall Council are prepared to spend millions of pounds per year (every year) to keep it going.
This will be the final link gone that started with BRYMON who put Plymouth Airport on the map and also started the original St Mawgan-Heathrow service with a HP Herald (not theirs).
Cornwall still had some substantial engineering companies back then which not only still employed thousands of staff but attracted a steady flow of sub contractors representatives who needed to visit on a regular basis, plus St Mawgan itself was a provider of customers when it was a main NATO (anti sub) base.
Plymouth had its dockyard and Navy base plus associated engineering companies, but this too has been reduced considerably over the years.
This has meant that the “two-way” traffic flow that our business’s provided faded away over the years to be replaced by outgoing leisure and business customers wishing to access Heathrow and Gatwick.
With the cost and lack of slots at these major airports a “non subsidised” service becomes untenable.
When you add on the security factor and check in times the business model for internal travel is difficult to see, but the trouble is the alternative train/drive situation is not much fun nowadays.
Trislander
The Trislander is not in the “stol” cat like the Islander but has certainly done its bit for the Channel Islands routes.
The Otter is expensive to buy/operate and does not like short sectors due to the start/cycle engine situation that rather eats up engine life (on paper).
Mr Cessna of course came up with the near answer with the Caravan but no good for our PT ops over here.
IN the end it is down to what the public will pay to use the service and what the alternative is.
I think the Lydd based Tri’s have/are going abroad.
It is very difficult for a small operator to “go turbine” as a stand alone business, due to the “jump” in operating costs and potential engine replacement charges and thats before contending with two pilot/autopilot rules on what were single crew aircraft.
Sea Turbulent
Perhaps its components have been used in a re-build of a normal model. It really needed bigger (longer) floats as a sea-plane but then also needed more power to cope with weight/drag.
It was on my list to try out when at Rye, but very rarely serviceable between several dunkings !!!!
The Sea-Tiger however was great fun.
Richard Holmes
Simply; the best.
Johnson’s Bomb
Johnson’s bomb was dropped across the dam (earth) wall using the a/c bomb sight.(ie as a bomb not a mine with depth fuse).
He explained to me at his home in Torquay that they could only make so many runs because the target was undefended. Due to the steep sides of the valley It was difficult to get a proper run in because of only having a few seconds to line up before pulling up to clear the opposite bank.I seem to recall that the comments from the rear turret were somewhat “to the point”.
Great character who stayed on in the post war RAF and ended up on ICBM.
As to the point of the programme; well we got to see some nice low level flying in a real aeroplane.
Blue Hangar
Baz that blue hangar (before it was fully completed) had a visitor (weather diversion) one Sun evening that left its visiting mark in the L/H corner !!! and D……….. jumping up and down like a lunatic in his new tower.They still only had an NDB having upgraded from a VDF, but the break off height was so high the best route in was via the “George” or “Wrigleys” below the clag.
Plymouth – Newquay !!!
In the end it all comes down to how much “subsidy” an operation gets.
Newquay has lost sqillions of pounds per year for years (projected 2011 loss 3-4 Million).
Not only that but has has huge amounts of grant money pumped in at the expense of other needs in Cornwall.Of course when you are bailed out by the Public sector (and you are the public sector) no one seems to ever be responsible for the mess, so it carries on.
Plymouth City passed this situation on to the private sector years ago (after having spent quite a lot of money on improvements).
The simple truth is no one will pay for the true cost of running an airfield that has to provide so much in the way of “approved” facilities to CAA/ EASA standards, many of which are “safety requirements”.
If the Country has difficulty in manning railways stations what chance aviation.
The problem comes with trying to make aviation a cheap option (which it is not) and even more so on relatively short internal flights.
In all fairness to SHH they tried to run an airline to carry on the Brymon/BA service, but the basic problem of costs was never going to be solved despite changes. As a potential development site (surrounded by development and complaints) the writing was on the wall years ago and the reality of the recent financial situation made the decision inevitable.
I remember some time ago being somewhat shocked to find out that Plymouth needed around 20 (on a shift basis) fire crew to satisfy the regulations regarding the size of aircraft using the field on schedule services,the trouble is the paying passenger does not want to contribute towards that.
Prentice
I remember Surrey and Kent flying club at Biggin had one on strength in the 60′ painted in the club blue and yellow colours.
The rear compartment was rather like an aeronautical conservatory and depending on the weight could take up to 5 persons i think in civil mode.
Even in those days its fuel consumption was considered “voracious” and the taxing of aviation fuel rather spoilt it’s chances of being a popular mount for club members.
I also remember them having amber screens which had something to do with their RAF use as trainers (used with blue goggles for simulated night/instument work).
Although the Prentice was used as a Pilot trainer it’s dual use was as a Radio crew trainer hence the large rear compartment.
Typhoon
It was probably a cunning plot from our “intelligence service” to tie up dozens of engineers trying to get the sabre running then kill off a German test pilot when the tail fell off.
Hurricane two seater
Aircraft had to be fitted with a Tempest canopy over the rear cockpit before delivery.
FANTASTIC how is the Sabre coming along !!!!
Bessonneau Hangar
No record of one at Lands Ends or St Marys but the ATC at Preddanack had one until it collapsed one winter making a mess of the gliders inside.
In fact the ATC had several incidents with these in later years and when they were falling on the new glass fleet it became a rather rather costly exercise.
The problem was they had stopped getting regular maintenance from a dedicated RAF working unit when it was disbanded.
These hangars need proper attention with their rigging and inside there are a couple of “props” that should be lowered in case of snow or high winds to add to the bracing.
The basic structure is petty beefy but the canvas and ropes have to kept up to scratch to avoid them going “wobbly”.
On a sunday evening the last job for the staff was to check on (and adjust) the tension of the main guy ropes after lacing the doors together.
They are a very substantial structure in fact and with modern materials as a cover work very well.