Ok, ok, I get the point TomcatViP
Cheers
Yes, i did on my only race with my bike, but i cant remember any sound because of my intense fear of death,
the physical characteristics both on the supersonic wind and my own feelings can be defined as turbulent
To say the least ‘Obligatory’ – your brand of sarcasm is somewhat refreshing; indeed a supersonic-bike!? Really?
My reference to a ‘supersonic wind pertains to aerospace propulsion systems. Case in point: each and any time one hears the ‘roaring’ sound of a rocket engine or a turbine engine – with afterburner (reheat) – such flows of air are in fact moving at supersonic velocity. My main point here, therefore, concerns MHD (which produces thrust without combustion), a supersonic flow of air (a noise/sound) of a jet or rocket but without the noise of a turbine ‘whine’ – This was the purpose of my question about a supersonic-wind :dev2:
Yes, i did on my only race with my bike, but i cant remember any sound because of my intense fear of death,
the physical characteristics both on the supersonic wind and my own feelings can be defined as turbulent
And somewhat of a noise that only can be described as a ‘thunderous’ and or ‘pulsating’ type of sound, correct ? 😉
Well noted Obligatory sir
Let me rephrase it a bit – could you clarify ‘obligatory’ ?? 🙂
Here is a small riddle (of sorts) for anyone willing to answer – which is completely relevant to this particular topic: Has anyone of you ever heard the sound of a supersonic wind (you know, when the air is moving at supersonic velocity)? And what does it sound like to you ? And what are the visual physical characteristics of such a supersonic wind flowing past an aerodynamic body? 🙂
Could you clarify sir? 🙂
Here is a small riddle (of sorts) for anyone willing to answer – which is completely relevant to this particular topic: Has anyone of you ever heard the sound of a supersonic wind (you know, when the air is moving at supersonic velocity)? And what does it sound like to you ? And what are the visual physical characteristics of such a supersonic wind flowing past an aerodynamic body? 🙂
Developments in Plasma Technology
Thought I’d move this to its own thread as the topic is interesting and has the potential to massively impact the future of flight. It would be good to compile a list of developments that have occurred over the previous few decades.
Upon hearing about the development of LM’s proposed SR-72, I began looking for any information to get a clue as to how far along hypersonics development had matured, searching for DARPA RFI’s, patents, etc.
What I found around the period of 2005 was that there were numerous patents lodged by the major US aircraft manufacturers for their propulsion concepts, but more interestingly there were a similarly large number of patents filed for plasma technology for augmenting aircraft aerodynamics and propulsion.
As an initial post, the list below contains a few interesting patents for plasma based propulsion and airflow control systems. One of these claims that the system can effectively negate aerodynamic drag using a system of plasma airflow injection and electromagnetic accelerators on an aircraft’s surface, in fact it can turn the aircraft’s skin into a part of the propulsion system.
The patent claims the system can be used to perfectly control airflow into a a jet engine and can eliminate the need for moving control surfaces as airflow around the aircraft can be controlled using the solid state system. Apparently the system is quite small so one wonders if something like this can be retrofitted to existing aircraft.
Here’s a couple of LM’s patents from around that time, will dig up the Northrop and Boeing ones when I have a little time.
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Some are unrelated to aircraft applications, but the main ones of interest are:
8.006.939 (controlling airflow using plasma accelerators) – 2006
8.453.457 (plasma thrust vectoring) – 2009
8.242.404 (plasma jet design) – 2010
8.523.115 (Boundary layer flow control) – 2011Has anyone heard of similar developments from other nations perhaps?
Yes; Russia did extensive research and development with their Ajax hypersonic research project; both in aerodynamics and propulsion.
An interesting yet esoteric form or set of technologies not yet fully understood by many aerospace ‘experts’ – because they are too busy with everyday ‘inside-the-box’ way of thinking. Fascinating technology to say the least:eagerness:
Sorry, just checked, my story above isn’t 100% accurate, although the general premise is.
2nd time around, the Eagles just got told of the general area the Blackbird would be in; not the exact flight path.
Well if I may add a few details to your post is this: The name of the F-15s v/s the SR-71 intercept exercises, had the name of ‘Eagle Bait’ and even the U.S. Navy got their chance to see if their F-14 Tomcat could intercept the SR-71 Blackbird – these exercises had the name of ‘Tom-Too-Hot.’ The F-14s could never get a radar lock-on long enough to make a successful intercept; they too failed to intercept the SR-71 Blackbird. The F-14 crews were given the same information as the F-15 crews.
Forgot to mention, how many times did MiG-25 Foxbats try and intercept the SR-71 Blackbird on operational missions ? Or how many failed intercepts were attempted by SAMs fired at operational SR-71s over the course of it’s operational career?
We have all heard about the Aurora through the press reporting about the strange contrails in California in the late 1980s early 1990s, could the Aurora be an early flying testbed for this program or was it something else?
Let me just put it this way, the “Aurora” was not the B-2 nor did it have anything to do with that program; and “Aurora” was not the often-mentioned Mach-6 capable spyplane either. The “Aurora” code name appeared (in public media anyway) in February 1985; the person that gave that code name worked in the Air Force’s Special Projects Office; and that it was a classified program, with the Air Force simply just not talking about it; and by February 1986 the code name “Aurora” disappeared from all budget documents (at least those documents known to the public) without leaving any trace of it ever existing at all. That particular code name was listed in the “Other Procurement” section, and because it was located in that public-released budget document in 1985 next to line items such as the U-2 and SR-71, some observers only assumed that “Aurora” must be the replacement for the SR-71 Blackbird simply because it was so close to line items that contained the spyplanes U-2 and SR-71; IMHO, it was a lot of confusion, false assumptions and misinterpretations by some aviation media outlets. Although the official has never came out and stated what exactly “Aurora” was is because it was a classified program, with some hinting that it was a major strategic program headed for production, and also confirming the budget dollar figures were accurate. However no monies were ever allocated to or for the “Aurora” – whatever it was. But I do have a guess as to what the “Aurora” code name was applied to, but this revelation of the SR-72 is not the “Aurora.” Although I do tend to agree with others here that something classified high Mach aircraft testbed, ect., has been flying in secret for years now. I know of certain SR-71 crews that have, in the past, refer to something only as the “SR-71’s little brother,” air refueling boomers have made similar remarks about such a craft. And did any notice that in this Skunk Works revelation of the SR-72, did mention work being done in secret with it’s partner Aerojet-Rocketdyne for “seven years now with the development of the SR-72’s propulsion system?”
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Would you be so kind as to post that particular magazine article my dear Pinko? I ask this because I have not seen the article in question. And also post the pics that was released in the article – if possible. In advance, thanks
I was simply pointing out that he wasn’t a newcomer to the forum, as your “welcome” implied you thought he was.
However, since you seem to be one of those who automatically takes everything that could possibly be distorted into an insult as an insult without bothering to find out whether that was the intent, I’ll just ignore you from this point on.
That’s great ! It works for me:cool:
Cheers
Note Pioneer joined the forum 8 years ago (4 years before you) and has over 6 times as many posts as you here.
Save your snide remarks Bager1968 – and why do you simply state the obvious with your remarks? I was unaware that posting was a numbers contest; or who has the most posts on this forum. I was simply paying a compliment to Pioneer – and what was wrong with that? Or better yet; what did you not like about my simple compliment/welcome post? I was under the impression that this thread was about “Nice Pics’ or photos of one’s favorite aircraft – or maybe that impression is wrong, too(?). Excuse me – but I know this is the “Mirage IIIO” thread; my mistake – but still nice pics of the Mirage IIIO prototype with the Avon engine 😉
Wow I almost overlooked this thread 🙁
A while ago …. well last year I wrote to Dassault re- the Avon-powered Mirage III prototype.
This is what I got in return!!P.S. sorry it took so long and that I overlooked this Forum 🙁
Regards
Pioneer
A very big and hardy WELCOME to you Pioneer !!! I love your images on other forums, and the Mirage III powered by the Avon engine is a beauty of an aircraft. :eagerness: