Fedaykin… I think you’re getting muddled up.
The “twin island” you are talking about is the single island from the 075 LHD, not for a carrier.
The island is also all one single structure, it’s just that the smoke stacks have yet to be installed on the island making it seem like the bridge and pri fly towers seem like they’re “separate” when in reality they’re joined at the base as part of a single island.The pictures in post #818 are all of the first 075 LHD where it is approaching structural completion and will be ready for launch relatively soon.
The picture in post #817 is of carrier 003 (formerly known as 002), where it is still undergoing super block fabrication/assembly.
Yeah, after I posted that on a second looking I realised it was a single Island with raised aft stack.
The 075 LHD looks to be influenced by similar vessels like the Juan Carlos class and the Cavour.
FedaykinNo, the 001A designation isn’t used by PLA watchers anymore, but it is still in use by some media people who don’t know any better.
https://thediplomat.com/2019/06/a-mid-2019-guide-to-chinese-aircraft-carriers/
I see, useful to know.
FedaykinIs not picture #924 the Type 002 Carrier? I thought the Type 003 was the planned Nuclear carrier that is a few years away from being laid down pending development of Nuclear technology for surface ships.
So the sequence so far is:
Type 001 (Varyag)
Type 001A
Type 002
Type 003
FedaykinOr are those all pictures of the 075 LHD and I am getting muddled up?
FedaykinSome serious things to wrap my head around there, firstly the picture on the camera screen looks to be the 075 LHD. Beyond that progress on the Type 002 Carrier is startling, I don’t see that much influence from the Varyag and it looks to have a twin Island configuration which means they are taking some influence from the UK when it comes to configuration.
FedaykinCroatia kicks off MRCA procurement process
I hope their budget will only only cover something Russian or a light single-engine fighter eg F-16, Gripen, F/A-50. I find it tedious when everyone under the sun is involved in a selection process where the customer cannot possibly afford a medium western twin or F-35.
Well I think you are going to be disappointed, Croatia wants to align its armed forces with the West and NATO. There is no way they are going to buy a Russian type, they have already expressed strong interest in the F-16 which is a very sensible choice.
FedaykinNope, exactly the same! The picture is from a slightly different perspective. The flight deck is the same length, the yagi is parked at a different angle and there is a cover over the radar on the ciwis slightly distorting how it looks.
FedaykinFirst combat use of the SD-10 and presumably the PL-9 as well if that is confirmed. If it is the JF-17 got the kills then the Chinese and Pakistani marketing guys will be happy…
FedaykinSo once Finland has satisfied the niceties of a procurement competition which block of F-35 do people think Finland will start taking deliveries from?
FedaykinOne would hope so but the L-39NG is entering into a crowded and increasingly complex market space. I remember the fanfair around the L-139/L-159 launch that was aimed squarely at the L-39 upgrade and replacement market as well as going to toe to toe with the Hawk. I don’t think Aero were particularly helped by the large number of surplus L-39 that cropped up after the end of the Soviet Union at bargain prices! They were in effect competing against themselves!
The shift in the AJT/LIFT market towards supersonic types, the improvements in synthetic training aids and simulators means a number of nations are streamlining their training pipeline and even eliminating certain stages as the syllabus can be covered by less types only makes the market more challenging.
Aero are marketing this against turboprop trainers like the PC-9/21 and the T.6 Texan II which are strongly established in the market. The Texan is particularly problematic as it fits into the US FMS system as does the AT-29.
We shall see I suppose
FedaykinTomcatViP my response to you was polite and reasoned and in no way sour, if you are going to put your views out to the world expect to have them challenged! Not unlike a certain thread earlier this year I think your core summation is flawed, take it on the chin rather than get huffy. I am certainly not opposing you starting a thread on any aviation related matter or subject of your choice, doesn’t mean I will hold back criticism if I see the need.
In respect of the Mirage F-1 I don’t think they are oddly cheap, the global market so far has failed to take up the offer of used F-1 and it reaches a point were the cost of storing them in the hope of a better deal is not viable. 300m Euro is certainly not an inconsequential amount.
Indeed the Spanish F-1 were offered to Argentina for 20M$ an airframe and you are also right that I was keen on the idea as those airframes are modernised to a good standard and would offer a good stop gap. The thing is the Argentine defence budget is not under my control and by all accounts their Airforce was less than keen on them it being a deal forced by the Government. In the end it fell through when they failed to stump up an initial payment.
Which leads me around to the core point even with an airforce that is desperate for a replacement type at a relatively low price for twelve modernised airframes the deal didn’t go through. There just isn’t the market for these aircraft when there are other better options available.
India was building Jaguar until recently, getting some spare airframes for free is a bonus for the Indian Airforce not essential. They were essentially scrap anyway, gifting them along with some retired two seater M2000 airframes helps France PLc when it comes to the gesture.
I should mention the fact that I have been advocating the idea of selling the F-1 to ATAC and selling some Jags for cheap to India to help them in managing their fleet well before the events. Oddly as it seems, this has even been discussed before here as it is, with you ,my dear Feydakin, on some case, opposing my arguments.
I should probably look at how I could offer you a decent internet browser for Christmas 😉
I don’t remember those discussions, I also don’t remember having any issue selling airframes for cheap to India or onto companies like ATAC. You are the one here who is getting all petulant that your sacred suppositions are getting challenged, it is childish now and was childish in the past. Does it matter? I am mature enough to be able to modify my positions with time, I am getting a strong impression that is not the case for you.
I have a very good internet browser, but thank you for your concern.
Fedaykin. remember your opinion about Chinese technology based on Chinese relative. I mentioned those helicopters . the are not sufficiently protected for armed forces nor they reliable for Ukranian budget. Ukraine situation is very similar like Japan. https://www.kyivpost.com/business/ryanair-seeks-hire-ukrainians-pilots-stewards-250-specialists.html
Ryanair seeks to hire more Ukrainians: pilots, stewards and 250 IT specialists
It might come as a total shock to you JSR but it is perfectly possible for a person in this modern world to have relatives from more than one country. I also have Irish and French relatives as well…
I was not basing my opinions on those of a Chinese relative, I was debunking your utter racist nonsense about the Chinese defence industry. I have no interest in a JSR-economics debate involving random quotes from unrelated articles to support your view that all aerospace developments outside of mighty Russia are somehow flawed.
FedaykinI have family in Ukraine JSR including those who are members of their Armed forces, they NEED helicopters!
FedaykinI have to say the slant of your argument is pretty odd TomcatViP, I would think the circumstances of those sales and gifts would be obvious. As PhilipG rightly points out there is the issue of Soft Power to consider as well beyond pure economics, from my part you also need to consider the state of the used Fighter market as well. So pick up each point made:
I gather the argument you are making is France are not making enough money from this sale? The thing is whilst the Mirage F-1 is a good aircraft it is has fared poorly on the international surplus market, France and a number of other F-1 operators have spent years attempting to sell surplus F-1 to no avail. Remember the F-1 exists in a world where there are surplus F-16 and Su-27 available at very attractive prices, also very attractive credit lines can be extended for new build fighters. The Mirage F-1 is just not that attractive to buyers when what else can be purchased is considered. ATAK on the other hand are a company that want a high performance type but without all the complex systems, for them the F-1 with all the spares is highly attractive and for the French being able to shift their fleet plus all the spares in bulk is fantastic especially when it means a 300m€ return to the treasury! It saves the cost of scrapping them!
The only nation left operating the Jaguar is India and like the F-1 the chance of selling them on elsewhere is slim beyond companies like ATAK. France has significant interest in selling advanced arms to India it being a lucrative market, the Soft Power of making the gesture of this gift that will help India continue operate the type for many more years is highly valuable to the French.
Like the F-1 the Mirage 2000 has not had that much success in the surplus market albeit that might change as France makes more available as the Rafale takes on more of its roles. Just the same as the Jaguar gift this has Geopolitical advantages to France.
I don’t know the details of this deal but the Ukraine needs Helicopters and it certainly thumbs a nose at Russia so I would put this down as for the Geopolitical benefits and certainly there is no harm in keeping the factory busy.
Put simply this was a time limited deal and it isn’t yet certain that it will go through considering the Argentine defence budget. There is all but zero chance that France would find any other buyer and selling a simulator, spares and a few airframes will return more money to the French treasury than scrapping the lot.
FedaykinWhist we are discussing just want to say it is worth reading the latest edition of Air International, it has a fascinating article by Babak Taghvaee about Irans attempts to maintain and upgrade the F-14A.
A few things I was surprised to discover including how much spares the Iranians were able to source for the type in recent years even with US attempts to destroy anything related to the F-14 to stop them getting to Iran. That does raise a suspicion in my mind that on occasion the US has actual used F-14 spares as a negotiating tactic via middle men when it wants Iran to do something like release some US citizens etc…
Another surprise is Irans plans to keep the type going until 2040, I am a bit sceptical but if they manage it those Airframes will end up as the longest serving fighter jets in the world!
There was also interesting details about the continuing serviceability of the AIM7 Sparrow with the Iranian armed forces and the adoption of a MIM23 variant in an AIM54 style airframe on their upgraded F-14AM with further plans to develop an active seeker.
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