FedaykinIt looks like Iraq is getting the Mi-28 after all.
http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20121110/177358871.html
Maybe, I detect the smell of internal Iraqi government turf wars here!
Certainly there has probably been some frantic calls from Russia to Iraq today!
FedaykinOh my word that is funny!
No JSR it has no relevance and your attempts to connect it are amusingly childish.
As for accusing me for hunting links to prove a point…that almost takes the biscuit. Have you heard of “Pot calling the kettle black”? When you do exactly the same thing in the same post but as usual to a barely related issue its almost funny. I was fair pointing out that Russian media dispute the report but I would also say internal Iraqi politics are playing a part and it depends on who has the greater clout within their government.
I don’t care either way if Russia has lost or keeps the contract but your childish reaction is so predictable its almost boring… I could spend some time typing all out the different defence contracts European manufacturers have won in the middle east over the last year but I know you will ignore that and say “up is down” and “black is white” if it fits your world view. A waste of my time trying to reason with a child with a chip on his shoulder.
This is a thread purely over what the alternatives are, do you have any suggestions JSR or is this going to be a tit for tat exercise where you slate everything that hasn’t got a made in Russia symbol on it. You know you could try and participate, what is your opinion on the AH-64D vs AH-1Z? Or do you have a view on the Rooivalk…you know the actual subject matter of this thread!
FedaykinYour jumping ahead. It is not cancelled. infact Iraq has increased Oil related deals with Russia. There will be pressures from various parts in Iraqi government but things will move on with time as it is in there own interest.
News media says otherwise JSR.
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/10/world/meast/iraq-russia-arms-deal/
But that’s is OK I am sure we will get further clarification…interestingly the Russian news site Ria Novosti says it hasn;t been cancelled based on the words of the deputy defence minister:
http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20121110/177358871.html
So it is the word of the Iraq Prime minister vs the word of the deputy defence minister. Should be interesting to see who wins out. Then again the earlier article from the same website says it is cancelled:
http://en.rian.ru/world/20121110/177354047.html
but important point is both Cameron and Hollande visited arabs and couldnot managed to sign deals there. Saudi are ordering C-130.
Nothing to do with this thread…same old tricks is JSR.
It means A400m is practically doomed without big deal from Middleast.
Again nothing to do with this thread and do I detect a hint of desperate but childish face saving…nothing new then.
FedaykinWell there would of been a small chance that if it was a radar shot the Stinger might if spooked the Mig pilot. Then again my guess is the second the Predator saw the missile launched he went “What the hell” and took a snap shot with the Stinger in the vague hope it might help!
FedaykinThat CM-400AKG is interesting, has is it guided? Terrain mapping inertial guidance like Cruise or does it use some form of GPS?
I could see it being useful against enemy command nodes, radar sites and general DEAD work.
FedaykinHow about the Eurocopter Tiger or the Wz-10?
Personally, i would rather see them going for the Ka-52 (since its the best looking one around).
Oh I forgot the Tiger! Yep add that to the list!
WZ-10 … not a chance. Iraq has no defence relations with China as it stands and the WZ-10 isn’t even in full service with the China Army yet. The WZ-10 production will probably be busy for a long time meeting domestic needs.
FedaykinThis has been attempted before, albeit it was a Stinger rather than a Sidewinder and the aircraft was a *MiG*-25 belonging to Iraq, not Iran. It backfired (pun intended ;)) pretty badly – the debris field was that of the Predator.
To be honest it was probably a snap shot outside the engagement envelope of the Stinger.
FedaykinSkybolt was rightfully cancelled by the Americans as they had Polaris entering service and Minuteman in development both which were superior systems. The Uk’s desire for Skybolt was more driven by memories of Bomber Command glory and an inability to see beyond an air based deterrent. Polaris was far better suited for the UK as a second strike system and to quote John Dumbrell and his book “A special relationship: Anglo-American relations from the Cold War to Iraq”
The Polaris, a much better weapon system for the UK, was a major “scoop” and has been referred to as “almost the bargain of the century
We were lucky Skybolt was cancelled as we gained a far more effective and over time cheaper deterrent.
If you actually read any of the literature about the UK plans for Skybolt it involved a significant purchase of strike bombers to carry them.
FedaykinFMS has the advantage of being an all in package but I do agree that it has disadvantages as well. Nevertheless an AH-64D Apache or AH-1Z Viper sale would more then likely be FMS so it is a mute point.
Thing is the latest variant of the Mangusta is the joint developed ATAK variant with Turkey so any version offered would have to be new but yes I do concede that isn’t a total barrier to a sale.
Rooivalk has to work hard to maintain its lack of sales!
Indeed Iraq could get more Mi-17 and Mi-24 but it appears to be a political issue in Iraq about getting a new generation attack helicopter.
FedaykinWe love ours 😉
They can do supply flights to Afghanistan direct from Brize Norton!
As for American supply flights, lucky you have all those airfields along the route you can refuel at and that huge tanker fleet!
Problem is you will always find people who can’t be convinced of the reality of how amazing the C-17 is in comparison to the maintenance hog that is the C-5 😉
Fedaykin. Iraq cancels $4.2bn Russian arms deal over ‘corruption’
Iraq has cancelled a $4.2bn (£2.6bn) deal to buy arms from Russia because of concerns about “corruption”, an Iraqi government advisor has said.
JSR reaction to announcement:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s
:diablo:
FedaykinWell the debate is over in respect of Russian equipment, Iraq has cancelled the whole $4.2 billion contract:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20278774
http://www.france24.com/en/20121110-iraq-multibillion-dollar-arms-deal-russia-corruption-concerns
Corruption is the given reason but apparently they are open to negotiations. In the meantime all the American and European defence procurement continues.
FedaykinYou are right there Hambo, Chevaline was a foolish waste of money.
Fact is the capability of Russian ABM defences were overstated anyhow and by the time it hit service it was nearly time for replacement by Trident.
It would of been far cheaper to adopt Poseidon, update the in service Resolution class boats for the missile and build a two further submarines to give the warheads required to get past the ABM defence that scared them!
Also would of saved money by not having to solely support the Polaris that was being retired from US service.
Apparently there was some benefit towards the development of the UK warhead bus for Trident so not all loss.
FedaykinA thread where everybody has a raging argument with JSR, interesting concept Snow Monkey.
To be honest I don’t see any need to retire the current Mi-26 fleet, an overhaul and upgrade to latest standard should suffice. I see no need to lose the unique capabilities the type has.
Of course the question is did India decide to go for the ARBS on their a330 MRTT, I think the bid initially was for a spec close the the RAF version. Then again India is getting the late Block C-17 with the extra fuel tank so range is hardly a big issue. UK is operating its own C-17 from Brize direct to Afghanistan with significant loads!
FedaykinAs always pitiful twisted answers.
Flying by its own power is always cheaper than transported in giant cargo with stop for refuelling that is designed for 70 ton cargo but carrying a single 11 ton dismantled helicopter.
Wrong on so many levels it almost makes me cry laughter! It is cheaper, quicker and MUCH SAFER to fly a Chinook from one country to another in a larger transport jet. Once it has it’s rotors, mastheads and wheels removed a process that doesn’t take particularly long the Chinook is pushed onto the jet. The jet then fly’s to its destination up in the normal air transport corridors with little to no risk to the crew. Maybe it will need to stop off for fuel at a transit hub but that is entirely normal (well unless you are JSR whereupon this is a major logistics issue) and arrives at destination after a few hours. A Mil-26 on the other hand has to perform a long journey under its own power at low to medium altitude refuelling regularly. The flight plan has to be complex, involving low altitude civil airspace and lots of stops. That is by its nature tiring and dangerous for the crew plus it adds lots of flight hours to an airframe, transmission and engines that are going for an overhaul. The return journey also adds many needless flight hours to the helicopter.
Each post only digs your silly RUSSIA IS GREAT agenda deeper into a silly rut! It clearly burns you that anybody outside of Russia can produce aerospace equipment that is world beating.
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