Austria has a weird spec mix if I’m not mistaken. They didn’t license the RWR libraries and they didn’t buy PIRATE if I recall correctly.
Different levels of support, ToT and platform configuration make comparisons pretty difficult.
Too right its weird in respect if the Austrian air force.
They are using an air superiority fighter with a significant BVR capability and radious of action as a point defence fighter with IR missiles and cannon.
The Navy have launched a “Fly Navy 100” celebration, I have attached the video link:
http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/server/show/ConMediaFile.45950/changeNav/6568
Clearly a reply to the RAF’s “One Nation One Airforce” campaign, also I suspect a calculated exercise at pissing off the RAF considering they are celebrating their 90th aniversary.
Wish both services would just grow up sometimes…
Do you think if the S-92 was selected, and therefore a true american aircraft, there would be as much uproar about costs? Well definatly not the amount of negative publicity?
Actually I think there would of been just as much uproar and negative publicity, purely American programs which have had problems have been well reported and ranted about.
A classic example of how NOT to run a program.
It’s not the EH-101s fault, I blame the Navy who wanted a “all-singing, all-dancing” helicopter to show off to the CinC.
It’s bigger than the S-92, so there was the irresistable urge to fill up every space on the poor thing with bells & whistles.
Does a helicopter used for short flight really need a Comm suite worthy of the VC-25 or E-4?
I think the short answer is NO! Why fit a super duper comms suite? The job of the presidential helicopter should be to fly the President to somewhere QUICKLY AND SAFELY that has the appropriate facilities like the VC-25.
The EF/Rafale will never get into a WVR battle with the Raptor. The Raptor has Thrust Vectoring to counter any HMS advantage the Euro canards have ( the Rafale like the Raptor do not have it yet) And the Raptor is going to get its on HMS anyway 🙂
Your right because both of these types are operated by allies…
But seriously I don’t suppose you can qualify such a sweeping statement. How exactly does TVC counter HMS systems.
If you want to talk scenarios the Eurocanards with HMS and agile counter measure resistant high off boresight missiles would be a deadly opponent for the F22 if they entered the merge within visual range.
The F22 is amazing but it can’t beat physics and tvc only changes the direction the nose points not the direction of travel. It would certainly bleed off speed and thats not good news in respect of IR missiles like ASRAAM and MICA which in visual combat would be well within their no escape zone. These missiles are also highly counter measure resistant and paired up with a helmet mounted site are no joke.
If the S-92 had been selected, you’d be in an even worse situation, needing even greater mods to accomodate the gear required, and almost certainly needing a major fuselage stretch, a redesign of the sponsons to accomodate a full VIP door, and a five blade main rotor, and you’d have a less powerful, less capable machine.
But the S-92 is what you should have bought, because POTUS should be seen to step from the door of a US designed, US built helicopter, and not a European design, because it doesn’t matter of Marine One is the inferior type. It’s good enough, and you won’t disadvantage the warfighter by buying the lesser machine.
Well looking at the mods required they might as well of gone the whole hog and selected the Boeing Chinook if they had wanted a US type to meet the specification.
Iranian defense minister in Moscow ‘to talk S-300 missile deal’
MOSCOW, February 17 (RIA Novosti) – Iran’s defense minister is likely to discuss the delivery of Russian S-300 air defense systems to the Islamic Republic during a meeting with his Russian counterpart on Tuesday, a business daily said.
Russia’s Kommersant said Moscow had signed an S-300 contract with Tehran, but would not rush to implement it due to a seeming thaw in Russia’s relations with the new U.S. administration.
Iranian media have repeatedly said, citing senior security officials, that Russia has started delivering elements of the advanced version of the S-300 missile with a range of over 150 kilometers (over 100 miles).
The reports have alarmed the U.S. and Israel, both of which have refused to rule out the possibility of military action against Tehran, accusing it of a failure to obey international nuclear non-proliferation demands.
However, Russia has dismissed the reports. “We do not supply any offensive weapons to Iran, and accusing Russia and Iran of cooperation that undermines regional security is unjust,” Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said earlier.
Iranian Defense Minister Mostafa Mohammad Najjar said ahead of his visit that Tehran would negotiate the delivery of S-300 missiles “when it is necessary.”
In an official statement, the Islamic Republic’s Defense Ministry said: “During his trip to Russia, the Iranian defense minister will hold talks with Russian officials and visit a number of defense industry companies. The main purpose of the visit is the expansion of bilateral [military-technical] ties and the implementation of existing agreements in the military-technical sector.”
“The contract on the S-300 could be fulfilled any time,” Kommersant said, citing an unidentified Russian defense official. “New deals are in the offing. Talks on Buk-M1 medium-range missile systems are continuing. However there has been no political decision, necessary for the deals to go ahead.”
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov is expected to meet with the new U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, in March. The meeting is seen as a sign of a thaw in relations between Moscow and Washington, strained of late over a host of issues, including U.S. plans to deploy missile shield elements in Central Europe, which Russia strongly opposes.
Media reports said the new U.S. administration was seeking a compromise on the missile shield dispute that would be linked to Russia’s cooperation in preventing Iran from building a nuclear bomb. The “Iranian threat” was one of the reasons cited for the missile shield.
Iran recently took delivery of 29 Russian-made Tor-M1 air defense missile systems under a $700-million contract signed in late 2005. Russia has also trained Iranian Tor-M1 specialists, including radar operators and crew commanders.
Interesting development if it is followed through, another wild card is the fledgling Iraqi armed forces. If they do purchase F16 among other things I kind of expect a response from Iran in some form or another.
UK to sign for first F-35 Joint Strike Fighters ‘within weeks’
The UK is expected to sign a deal “within the next few weeks” to participate in the Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter’s initial operational test and evaluation (IOT&E) phase, says minister for defence equipment and support Quentin Davies.
Davies and representatives from the UK Ministry of Defence’s Joint Combat Aircraft integrated project team visited Lockheed’s Fort Worth manufacturing site in Texas in February. During the visit they held discussions with officials from the company and the US armed services.
Topics covered in the talks spanned issues such as operational sovereignty, in-service support, the integration of UK-specific equipment and programme costs, says Davies, who adds that the visit “helped answer some questions”.
The minister told a launch event for the UK Royal Navy’s “Fly Navy 100” celebrations in London on 16 February that he believes the programme is “well under control, and there are already indications on price schedules that we are talking about. I hope that there will be a very positive announcement within the next few weeks.”
As the USA’s lone Level 1 partner on the JSF project, the UK has long planned to acquire three short take-off and vertical landing F-35Bs during the IOT&E phase to participate in development testing of the fifth-generation type as part of a joint test team. This will inform the MoD’s long-term acquisition plans for the type, and enable it “to make suggestions early enough in the programme where it is possible to improve some systems or performances,” Davies says.
“The operational testing and evaluation phase is essential,” he says. “Some of the other [JSF] customers are prepared to simply buy the aircraft and take it on trust, but I don’t think that’s a responsible way [for the UK] to act.”
Lockheed requires the UK to sign a contract for its IOT&E aircraft by the end of February, but the investment had recently been rumoured as potentially being at risk under the MoD’s ongoing financial planning round. However, Davies says: “I have a smile on my face, and I’m confident we shall be able to move forward.”
Industry sources suggest that the UK could eventually purchase up to 138 production F-35s to meet its Joint Combat Aircraft requirement, which will deliver new fighters for use by Royal Air Force and RN squadrons, including from two 65,000t Future Aircraft Carriers (artist’s impression above).
The RN will mark the centenary of its manned aviation activities on 7 May.
All I can say is hooray!
If it is 138 lets hope its a sensible split between the RN and RAF. Also lets hope it is a sign that the RAF and Royal Navy have been told to grow up and stop the recent stupid interservice spat that only serves to harm both services.
Lockheed Martin to Upgrade Ship Defense System on Turkish Navy Frigates
15:30 GMT, February 17, 2009 MOORESTOWN, NJ | The U.S. Navy recently awarded Lockheed Martin [NYSE: LMT] a contract to upgrade the MK 92 Fire Control System on Turkey’s G-class guided missile frigates. The system upgrade will support the introduction of the Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile (ESSM), providing enhanced self-protection capabilities for this class of surface warships.
The MK 92 system, originally developed by Lockheed Martin, provides integrated X-band radar surveillance, target tracking and weapon fire control capability for naval gun and missile systems. Under the new Navy contract, Lockheed Martin will design, develop and integrate modifications necessary to support the new missile capability.
“The MK 92 upgrade represents the first U.S. Navy-sponsored sale of our solid-state continuous wave illumination transmitter to support ESSM deployment by navies around the world,” said Stan Ozga, Lockheed Martin’s director for Naval Radar Programs. “Building on our successes with systems already in use by Norway and Australia, Lockheed Martin will deliver, with this latest variant, a major improvement to the guided missile frigate anti-air warfare capability and continue more than two decades of support to the operational needs of the Turkish Navy.”
The upgrade, when combined with Lockheed Martin’s MK41 Vertical Launching System, will allow increased self defense capacity through the MK25 Quadpack canister allowing four ESSMs to be loaded in each MK41 cell, resulting in enhanced self-protection capabilities for this class of surface warships. ESSM is a medium range quick reaction missile designed to defeat stressing anti ship cruise missiles.
More than 125 shipboard MK 92 systems have been produced and deployed with nine different navies around the world. It has been installed on more than 70 guided missile frigates, as well as on a variety of other surface ships including coast guard cutters, corvettes and fast attack craft.
Interesting, so Turkey is going down the same path as Australia in respect of an upgrade to the Perry Classes anti air capability.
The problem is Lockheed Martin are not entirely culpable in this situation, if the spec is changed adding lots of bells and whistles its hardly surprising that problems would develop.
I think we would be in pretty much the same place if Sikorsky had won the contract. Cancelling or handing part of the contract over to Sikorsky would still leave the program in much the same place, no helicopter and a massive cost overrun.
Russian warship detains 3 pirate vessels off Horn of Africa
MOSCOW, February 13 (RIA Novosti) – Russia’s Pyotr Veliky missile cruiser has detained three pirate vessels off the coast of Somalia, a Russian Navy spokesman said on Friday.
“Two speedboats and a large parent ship were detained with 10 Somali pirates on board,” Capt. 1st Rank Igor Dygalo said.
The incident occurred on Thursday near Yemen’s Sokotra Island when a Pyotr Veliky-based helicopter spotted two speedboats moving in the direction of a fishing boat under the Iranian flag. Upon spotting the helicopter, the people on board the speedboats began hurling arms overboard.
The helicopter crew continued surveillance until the Pyotr Veliky arrived at the scene.
Weapons, including assault rifles and grenade launchers, as well as drugs and a large amount of cash were discovered on board the vessels. “The detainees were in a state of narcotic intoxication,” Dygalo said.
He also said investigators were currently questioning the detainees.
The Pyotr Veliky…I can only imagine the state of the pirates pants when that big bad boy hove into view!:diablo:
Talk about a sledgehammer to crack a nut!
Only the Yanks call them ‘boomers’ Fed. They are ‘bombers’ to us.
The thing is the damage patterns. Laying aside any other ‘fact’ that comes from the vast repository of gash that is the general media the dents never lie!. The Frenchman has allegedly got sonar dome damage and the Vanguard was, at some point, taken under tow. The geometry of that one is fairly straightforward. IF the reporting is accurate that Vanguard had to take a tow!.
Either way, yes, it could be an absolute random accident and the picture you paint is a possible one. The odds against though are significant!.
First I heard of that but heck what do I know:D
The only scenario I can think of aside from just a blind accident that one sub had picked up a VERY transient sonar contact and was having a sniff around. Maybe one of the subs was shallow so it could pick up comms traffic but why bother in heavy seas. The French deny they heard anything and the RN aint sayin Nufin to quote an oik who lives down the road. The damage pattern of scrapes to the Vanguard and a wrecked sonar dome for the Triomphant throws up a scenario of the French sub blundering into the British sub but then again maybe our French buddies were cut up to take a driving term.
As the line from the film goes:
“I suspect arson”
“Somebodies been arsin around!!!”Some of the reported facts in this case do make the eyebrow lift a bit!.
Bombers as stated are, normally, tasked with staying out of everythings way. They will avoid common arbitrary depths, they will stay off cardinal courses and normally, a good ways off trafficed routes.
For two bombers to be at near the same depth on converging courses such that they could not hear one another, especially with the damage patterns mentioned, such that an impact can result is mathematically remote. Not impossible – but very unlikely.
Boomer dude:D
Improbable yes but not impossible, its certainly happened before.
What worries me is the press reporting in a vacuum, until we know the full facts I don’t like what they are writing.
Considering most journos knowledge of Submarines and Sonar is from whatever movie they happen to of seen then it doesn’t bode well for good reporting. Most press types have pointed out that neither saw each other on sonar…well considering that when you ask the general public about sonar they think of something pinging away this isn’t a good start.
If both subs were operating close to the surface at slow speed with lots of noise clutter its entirely possible that neither noticed each other, remember a modern boomer can be less noisy then the background noise of the sea. For passive sonar that is quite a difficult scenario.
There is a good chance that neither crew was at fault and they have both fallen prey to awful bad luck.
Considering there are only one or two of each in an entire ocean at a time, yeah it’s astronomical that they’d be in the same location at the same depth at the same time. I”ll bet there was some kind of exercise or testing of some sort going on that put them in the same close proximity but someone miscalculated.
Frankly unlikely, if it was two attack subs then it would be more likely they were on exercise together but these are two Ballistic Missile submarines tasked to maintain the independent deterrent.
Certainly in the case of the Royal Navy the Boomers are told to go out and get lost whilst on patrol.
Looks like a very bad piece of luck.
Two things would have put interesting twists on RAF history.
1. Avon powered F-4’s.
2. Adoption of the Saab Draken as a light interceptor.Typing on an iPod, will elaborate later.
I have also wondered why an Avon Phantom wasn’t proposed please do hurry up and type…