FedaykinI agree Jinan, considering Pakistan updated one of their shipyards to build the F22P class building another batch themselves would make sense to me. If the HQ16A was integrated in place of the HQ7A that would be a good step forward and give them a serious area air defence capability at sea.
FedaykinThen again they have a SU22M4 at Scampton so the CAA certainly have confidence in them as it certainly be classed as “Complex” in comparison to a Hunter!
http://www.hunterteam.com/www2014/Aircraft/Sukhoi/
The civilian military trials and support market is certainly getting interesting what with companies like Draken international expanding. An F-4F flying in the UK would be cool especially if they painted her in 74Sq colours (the only J79 operating Phantom squadron in the UK).
FedaykinInteresting, they have always made a point that the Hunter was more than enough for their needs. An F-4F would be a significant complexity jump for them, also wasn’t UK CAA reluctant for a civilian operator to operate a type as complex as the Phantom?
FedaykinYep, more then likely Iran. Unless some civilian operator uses the F4 for trials work it will be the IRIAF.
FedaykinSwitzerland chose Gripen, but didnt agree on the financing. They will buy something in the next 10 years, F35 isnt on the map. Its Rafale or Gripen… or UCAVs.
Swiss cancellation of the Gripen deal has nothing to do with an inability to agree financing, money was not an issue.
The deal was cancelled because those opposed to the deal were able to get enough citizens to sign a petition that forced a general referendum. Under Swiss law any government decision can be challenged by a referendum if a number people can be found to sign a public petition. There was a petition and a referendum was forced.
Those who opposed the Gripen deal did raise cost as an issue but if they had lost the referendum the order would of gone through.
FedaykinWell looking aside from the expected and rather amusing Chinese temper tantrum over the sell of four elderly frigates that will not make much of a dent to the cross straight balance of power the decision not to sell to Pakistan is interesting.
It rather removes the logic of continued operation of the lone Perry in Pakistan Navy service, with the Tariq on their way out one elderly poorly armed perry seems to be more of a burden then a benefit.
Fedaykin] designation of this targeting pod
J/AAQ-2 external FLIR pod.
http://airport.world.coocan.jp/l_7382.html
Photo was taken at Misawa AB, Aomori Prefecture, on 2009/10/18.
It was one of those amazing aspects of Japanese defence procurement that they well develop a totally unique pod that is only used by their own forces.
FedaykinIn this particular case I don’t see what the issue would be buying used for the China navy YU1.
Lets say the Hellenic navy are planning to sell their Zubr class hovercraft considering they are probably an expensive to run and own luxury with their current economic situation. The oldest in Greek service is a bit over 14 years old and the youngest a bit over 10, for China it would appear to be a rather good opportunity. They are significantly expanding their amphibious assault capability and the Zubr is already in active service with the China Navy, more examples are on order from Russia (yes I realise that the yard is the Crimea) and via licence production. Four relatively new Zubr at the right price would fit right into their current fleet and would almost be a hot swap.
For me the question is how much Greece needs the money considering how much was put into buying those Zubr in the first place. Also would not there be problems for Greece selling what is military equipment to China.
FedaykinWe have been here before and it was called the Fiat G.91
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_G.91
Only three NATO states adopted it into their armed forces despite all the time and effort put into selecting it and the other member states airforces totally ignored it.
Fedaykinin implementing their own designs in the 4++/5th generation space..
Oh good lord! Are we adding two pluses now?! 4++/5th generation????????!!!!!!! What does that even mean?!
Starts slowly smacking head against wall…
FedaykinI really don’t know why there is such this obsession with the F-CK-1 with forum denizens, even acknowledging the fact it relied on significant US R&D and component input it is still a Taiwanese aircraft utilising significant local components and production. It never had a snowballs chance in hell of ever being sold on the international market for that very reason. China holds too much clout over any potential buyer, so I would put any idea of an export F-CK-1 out of your heads.
In respect of UK clout over the US in preventing export of engines or aircraft to Argentina whilst that was certainly true in the 80’s and 90’s leading to a possible F16 deal falling through and the US exporting a warmed over Skyhawk instead I don’t think that is so much the case now. If the US wanted to export the GE414 I don’t think there is much the UK could say to stop the US. But that doesn’t mean buying from the US wouldn’t have problems for Argentina, I bet her creditors who are owed billions would have something to say about it.
In the end it won’t be the UK 30% content or possible issues around supply of the GE414 that prevents the export of the Gripen NG or any other fighter type for that matter to Argentina. It will be the Argentine government and the utterly woeful state of their finances that will! Every attempt to start a new or second hand fighter procurement program in the last decade has failed. Even if Argentina could find somebody to give them the credit to buy an aircraft their government has shown zero desire to actually release funds to get the procurement going.
For the time being the only new(ish) jets you are going to see entering service with the FAA are IA63 Pampa, until the Argentine gets over its own structural and ideological barriers to releasing proper funding to their military it won’t happen.
FedaykinYep the old engine problem! I can’t see the J-31 or the JF-17 for that matter having any penetration into the export market unless they sort out that issue.
I would say an engine in that class would have benefits in other programs as well and is the real achilles heal of the Chinese aerospace industry.
Has there been any further word on the rumours that China was negotiating with the Ukraine on developing that class of engine? Considering the collapse of Russian/Ukrainian relations I could see the Ukraine being a very logical place for Chinese defence investment and partnerships.
Fedaykinhttp://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/13/world/asia/china-stealth-fighter-analysis/index.html?hpt=hp_c2
CNN basically says it sucks.
overweight and under powered. if russians designed it, it would work
Frankly that article only confirms my opinion that there has been a crash in quality at Jane’s considering that is where the author is from.
The article is full of sweeping statements and rather condescending conclusions based upon what he saw in a flight display at an airshow!
Usually only amateurs, fanboys or JSR would conclude what an aircraft’s actual performance is whilst watching an air display routine from a distance or on a video.
Not saying the J-31 hasn’t got flaws or performance issues to iron out but this article is a very poor piece of writing.
What do you think Deino?
FedaykinArgentina Buying Gripens? Brits Say ‘No Way’
Yep indeed a storm in teacup Spitfire9! Of course that didn’t stop certain parts of the press going hysterical over the matter. This article in particular was comically ill-researched, so much so I couldn’t even be bothered to post it originally:
http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/61045/falklands-war-2-argentina-s-new-fighters-a-serious-threat
Even if UK export restrictions didn’t put a kibosh on it lets face it in the last twelve months the Argentine government has utterly failed to release any funding to purchase a new aircraft:
1) Mirage F-1 – the cheapest option and apparently Argentine pilots were out in Spain doing the initial work to accept the type
Funding not released by Argentine government all news of possible deal fades from the news
2) Kfir Block60 – more expensive deal
Funding not released by Argentine government all news of possible deal fades from the news
3) Gripen – even more expensive currently talking about a deal for 24
UK export regulations prevent deal unless aircraft is requalified with new sub systems, 30% of a Gripen NG is built in the UK or subject to British export licences – this would require significant funding that would have to be paid for by the Argentine government…anybody expecting the funding to be released?!
Aside from that the Argentine government has baulked at releasing funding for routine maintenance of their Mirage-3, a type that if I remember correctly was listed in 2010 will be time expired by 2013. What reports that have come out of Argentina is those Mirage-3 are no longer combat effective with many systems no longer working and only a few even capable of flying. QRA is now being maintained by the subsonic Fighting hawk a type generationally behind aircraft equipped by their neighbours let alone the UK.
FedaykinCongratulations in my humble opinion for your balanced explanation about some negatives points about the only turboprop trainers in the training process for new pilots before them could reach at the high performance fighters as the F/A 18 C/D.
The explanation in my opinion has not disqualified turboprops trainer as the PC 21 or Super Tucano, only has showed that it would be ideal to have small number of the advanced jet trainers that complement the turboprops trainers in the final phase of the training process, with the proposal to avoid that fighter as the two-seat F/A 18 D could accumulate many flying hours with high cost only to accomplish the conversion of the new pilot from a turboprop aircraft to a jet aircraft.
The fact are that every Air Force has been adopts the concept they think should best for their needs, in the case of the Brazil Air Force the decision about a new future advanced jet trainer to prepare new pilots for the Gripen NG still as possibility, but there has been some speculation on this subject what is very common especially when some country choosing a new fighter.
Oh I totally agree, I think the latest generation of turboprop trainers with jet like handling, representative glass cockpits and synthetic training modes allow significant scope for taking on many aspects of the AFT and LIFT syllabus. This is why I wouldn’t say Tonnyc wasn’t mistaken when he pointed out the scope of using Super Tucano in the AFT and LIFT stages.
Nevertheless there is aspects of those syllabus that are better suited to a jet, maybe the significant increase of realism with simulators can bridge the gap but that is to be seen.
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