FedaykinFlight of the Intruder (I have it on DVD)
Probably the best (well only really) depiction of Iron Hand.
I love the scene when Grafton and Cole go on their first mission:
Cole:Man, we’ve been made.
Cole:Give me degrees, nose up.
Grafton:A SAM just lifted off– : .
Grafton:Oh, Jesus,
there’s another one!
Cole:It’s not any fun until
they send up three at once.
Cole:Then we give the Gomers
our first one while you dive under.
Grafton:Oh, I do, do l?
Grafton:Where do you get all this
confidence in my ability?
Three then four missiles appear on the screen
Grafton:Now that’s four.
Grafton:Are you happy now?
FedaykinFlight of the Intruder (I have it on DVD)
Probably the best (well only really) depiction of Iron Hand.
I love the scene when Grafton and Cole go on their first mission:
Cole:Man, we’ve been made.
Cole:Give me degrees, nose up.
Grafton:A SAM just lifted off– : .
Grafton:Oh, Jesus,
there’s another one!
Cole:It’s not any fun until
they send up three at once.
Cole:Then we give the Gomers
our first one while you dive under.
Grafton:Oh, I do, do l?
Grafton:Where do you get all this
confidence in my ability?
Three then four missiles appear on the screen
Grafton:Now that’s four.
Grafton:Are you happy now?
FedaykinNo gun?
I think the gun is a given feature. Whether Austria will use it is entirely another matter.
FedaykinI think the “Sidewinder” acronym was never official, but some people thought that way. In fact the IRIS-T is an entirely new missile and I can’t see where it is based on the Sidewinder. It was in fact designed with similar dimensions and weight for compability reasons.
I think it was along the lines of having the same motor as the Lima model Sidewinder already produced in Germany.
FedaykinThe weapon package includes 25 IRIS-T.
And I think the plan is to buy a handful of AMRAAMs to get an idea about BVR.
So basically, the QRA Typhoons have a pair of IRIS-T, but in general Austrian Typhoons can be considered unarmed. :rolleyes:
Thanks mate! I don’t see America having any problems selling a few AMRAAM to Austria but I can see a BVR weapon system being politically sensative in Austria.
Actually on the subject of IRIS-T has anyone noticed that the Acronym has been changed. When the missile was first in development the acronym stood for: Infra Red Imagery Sidewinder Tail-controlled
now the manufacturer states the acronym means: Infra Red Imaging System Tail/Thrust Vector-Controlled.
I presume the acronym meaning was changed so the name of a rival product wasn’t included in its name.
FedaykinOut of curiosity what weapons package is Austria buying for their Typhoon? I’m sure I read somewhere that IRIS-T was the chosen short range missile but is Austria going to buy a BVR type like AMRAAM?
FedaykinDo you guys seriously believe that a mechanical array (Captor) can interleave functions? Please tell me that you dont eat up such marketing BS so easily. You also sound silly in comparing the beam agility of a phased array and the Captor.
The AWG-9 couldn’t really track 24 targets. I read it somewhere on this forum. The multi-target engagement capability was also very restricted.
Another lie is about the Typhoon’s low RCS. It has non-composite canards, a boxy airframe and a slotted array radar. Please end the Typhoon fanboyism. Its a good aircraft but its not great in any way.
For somebody who has only made 3 posts since 2004 you really are spoiling for an argument.
American, European and Russian companies are guilty of marketing BS so in general I’m fairly cautious but in the case of CAPTOR things are a bit more clear. First of all its based on the excellent Blue Vixen radar which was a very light but sophisticated/powerful radar set, when it was used over Bosnia it had radar performace second only to the E3 Sentry AWACS. Secondly its a generation beyond other mechanically scanned sets in service. The radar array can be move far faster then older generation mechanically scanned radars and combined with powerful computers and good cockpit displays it can interleave information for the pilot.
Can’t really comment on the AWG9 apart from saying it was an excellent radar which was a benchmark for many a radar.
Low RCS in relation to the Typhoon is a thorny issue and the aircraft certainly wasn’t designed it with as a priority on the other hand a mainly composite structure and very tight tolerances are certainly no harm.
FedaykinThats nice! An amusing story to cheer me up after a stressful day at work:p
FedaykinExplanation accepted. I’m in no way political myself by any means! I just took exception to the way your post came across and now I accept that it was unintended on your behalf. I replied to it in open forum because the comment was made in open forum. I would agree that an armed PC-9 could indeed be classed as a COIN aircraft but it was the words that this “would be far more useful to them” that got my blood temperature rising! Thanks for the clarification. Back to the aircraft.
No problem Taj!
What I meant by “would be more useful to them” was in comparison to say a fast jet like the Gripen or F16 in the roles required by the Irish air force.
FedaykinBefore you go in guns blazing Taj I should point out that it was not my intention to insult the republic, frankly I’m slightly insulted that you drew that conclusion!:( I post on this forum because I like talking about aircraft and ships not because I have an axe to grind over any subject.
I am well aware that the north has had been under a protracted period of civil unrest under British rule and I am delighted that both sides have moved closer to peace (the recent elections being a case in point).
Now for the issue of COIN aircraft, I am happy to give a clarrification of why I think they are suited to Irish needs. You are quite right that Ireland has seen 85 years of peace and I doubt that she will ever face any kind of insurgency, I was purely referring to COIN types as they obviously have a range of capabilities that meet Irish requirements outside of counter insurgency operations. The PC9 can intercept small aircraft like Cessna’s or helicopters and it can support the Irish army on the ground. I am sure many countries have purchased COIN types as they meet an operational need outside of counter insurgency operations. Why should it be any different for Ireland? Now I do concede that I used poor wording in the line “The PC9 gives them a type capable of COIN operations” the poor wording came through because the PC9 isn’t purely a COIN type but rather a trainer which can carry weapons. I would argue that the PC9 used by Ireland could be classed as a COIN type, that doesn’t mean I think that Ireland would ever use them in that role.
Now I hope you accept that as a sincere explanation Taj and that in the future you send me a personal message before you bring up a grievance in the open forum.
FedaykinDo you seriously think that the Irish government are going to order a squadron of F-16s or Grippens any day soon?? :rolleyes:
Would you call Ireland, the so called “Celtic Tiger”, a less well off country?
Our fellow EU members like Hungary, Slovakia and the Czech Republic have MiG-29s, JA39 Grippens in service in their air arms, and these countries are by no means flush with cash either!Finland, a country also comparable to Ireland in population and economy, took delivery of 64 F/A-18C/Ds in the last ten years or so, which for a while made the Finnish air force the most advanced in Europe!:eek:
I think the Irish are suffering more from some sort of sturgid mind set, rather than a paucity of cash. They’re passing the buck basically…
Not really! The Republic of Ireland just has no need for fast jet fighters, look at a map of Europe. On one side the have the UK and the other side the Atlantic, any large threat like a hijacked airliner would be intercepted by the RAF anyway as it would probably constitute a threat to UK airspace as well.
All Ireland requires is helicopters to meet various roles including SAR and a maritime patrol type to help protect its fisheries. The PC9 gives them a type capable of COIN operations which is far more useful to them then a squadron of F16.
I don’t think the RAF regards Ireland as a burden to its current duties.
FedaykinEven if the Argentines had 20 Exocets I think the 5 SuE would of been the preferred launch platform considering the urgency of the situation and the tricky integration issues.
Interesting to see the the Falcon 200 with Exocet looks like Chile have experimented for real what FRADU simulate with their Falcon’s. Isn’t that a French Baracuda ECM pod I see under the wing as well.
FedaykinI have seen the Christine MacKenzie before and I have to say it does make some assumptions as well as play to the sales people of certain companies.
The quote from Moussez is silly:
Moussez said that in dogfight exercises, the Rafale had outflown F-15, F-16 and F-18 opponents, and in technical and performance evaluations “we have systematically won against the F-15 and the Eurofighter Typhoon.”
So what he is saying is “we had a think about how Rafale would perform against Typhoon and we think its better.” errrr? So just the same as that stupid DERA report from a few years back, no solid proof but a lot of hot air!
FedaykinI think the Argentines had there hands full just getting the Exocet fitted to the Etendard after loosing official French support and it being a tricky weapon system to set up.
Just for reference the UK’s FRADU organisation use Falcon business jets to simulate missile launcher aircraft among other things with the Hawk pretending to be the missile:
FedaykinIf anything else this shows the amazing level of confusion over what actually happened during the Falklands war when it comes to the war at sea.
Even respectable sources are conflicting when it comes to what happened, the sad thing is this has resulted in many wild stories being taken as truth.
The best example of all this is the issue of Invincible and the Argentine naval strike, if you go on the Argentine air force site they clearly believe they hit her. Certainly they did launch a strike but it is also clear they missed, the problem is as Griffiths911 has stated things were so confused on the RN side that nobody is exactly clear what did happen! I personally think it is high time for an independant study referring to sources on both side to get a clear picture of what did happen during the war at sea.
I must also welcome Griffiths911 to the forum, the information and personal experiences you telling us are vital to building a true historical account of that war and I hope that you share your experiences a naval historical archivist in the future. It is important that future generations can learn from your service in the navy!:)
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