I can think of the 666 one but 665???
And there was me thinking it was obvious 😉
Thanks AI.

How about some of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsmcDLDw9iw
Then again Bruce is an aviation enthusiast!
Don’t worry! The ever inventive RAF ground crew will certainly think up something better! :diablo:
They probably already have an obvious one for ZZ666 and a comedic one for ZZ665!:D
That is good news! Considering the AT-6B didn’t actually meet all the performance specs for the contest it would of been crazy for it to win.
Hopefully Beechcraft won’t wheel their lawyers out again or the Sequester doesn’t mess things up now!
Exactly!
This is about internal turf wars in the Russian government and defence sector and the perceived loss of face buying a foreign ship.
Russia can specify what fuel grade they want to use and Wartsila via DCNS will have to make the changes to the injectors, engine software and piping to accommodate!
JSR
Su-30 does not make any sense. It is inferior fighter to MIG-29M in flight performance.
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And you want us to respect your well* researched points with statements like that! Geez!
*As in not a foggy clue about aircraft, flight dynamics, avionics and engines!
Firstly airlines lease aircraft and don’t buy them so as a lease comes to an end they look to see what fits with there operations yes most are moving away from the 146 but not to turbo prop but to small twin engine jets this is why ATR’s are being made into MPA’s
At this time the UK doesn’t need a small tactical transport. My point is that I feel there is a need for a small cheap multi-mission transport and by buying anther 8 146’s now for 64 million pounds which in military terms is nothing and less an one fighter jet and using them to move troops and palliated loads around Europe and the middle East on small deployments and exercises which when out of Afghan will hopefully is all we do for next 10 years and extend the life of the new A400m by not wasting expensive flying hours moving light loads and troops on deployments which they them self’s are not needed on
If the UK then dose at a latter date need a small tactical transport it should buy C-295 which has a wider support net work in Europe and costs 35 million dollars saving UK tax pays 20 million dollars per unit and if only needed in a short term conflicted could be converted into MPA’s after
Things is for exercises within Europe why bother using a small transport aircraft? Pop the pallets on a truck and the lads on a coach then send them to Felixstowe….much cheaper!
Thing is I wouldn’t call the AIM-9M or the AIM-7M-F1/H Sparrow abysmal, they are perfectly good air to air missiles and more then adequate to deter incursions. The jet is already compatible with more advanced missiles and the rail launchers are the same regardless. Getting several hundred missiles fairly cheaply to start off with is not to be sniffed at. As pointed out the F-16IQ are mainly needed for their ground attack capabilities at the moment. More advanced missiles can be considered down the line.
I agree sheytanelkebir the only way the Mig-29 can beat the F-16IQ delivery wise is if they take the Syrian examples. Problem is the pilots, the first ones for the F-16 are in the US converting to type others would have to be found to go to Russia to convert to the Mig. I think it would be a couple of years at least until and Mig purchase could be declared fully operational and that is with an aggressive adoption schedule. Now add in the pilots needed to continue working up the F-16IQ and the L-159 and the idea that a Russian Mig purchase could be declared operational in under a year is absurd!
The cynic in me says this is more about screwing a good deal out of the Americans and internal turf wars within the Iraqi government.
what so funny about it. Aircraft with spine usually have more fuel and electronics space. see Su-34 compared to F-15E. or MIG-29K vs Rafale.
It seem you have very little understanding from manufacturer perspective.
Slow implementation of Saudi deal is directly impacting BAE revenues. more over it is delaying delivery to new customers see Oman example. and it is not contributing to new development.
while INS Vikramaditya is one off project of refurbishing 30 year old ship it does not impact anything else but all money has been received and experiance has been gained.The problem is thise too issues are interlinked. South of Irak has more easy oil and free to market anywhere. Kurds have much less Oil and dont control the pipeline. so they cannot possibly afford such scale of weopons and training. and once this weopons flow through to Centeral Iraki government. they can overrun Kurdish region.
This is ur opinion not a fact that this closed door deal. otherwise why they are pursuing it because it is there own interest. F-16 is most succesful fighter in the past it does not mean it will be in future. LM may have redirect workers to F-35 or other projects where US government buy in bulk.
MIG-29 line has this advantage that within a year after signing they can potentially get the fighters. which certainly no one from Europe can provide at such speed.
Yep not a clue when it comes to the matters at hand…funnier and funnier:D
Point 2 you make there is what bugs me, it is like someone has hit the Su30 or Mig-29 wiki page and just randomly selected variants. That the Iraqi defence department website lists it kind of shows the fractured nature of their government.
when airplane does not have big spine relative to others. so where ur going to store fuel and electronics. not every plane has large wings. see F-16 example. wide space fuselage is necessary for efficient utilitization of space. see Flanker example of 4 AAMs between engines.
You carry on showing your lack of understanding of aircraft design…it gets funnier each time you type out the same silly stuff!:D
Agains its pricing dispute. BAE should have signed a contract with much higher price in begining as they would have known they are not going to be built inside KSA. now they are asking for higher prices.
also Euro has appreicated compared to pound. and alot of parts/subsystems are from Euro zone. with slow implemention this is becomeing a factor. even Oman will get first Eurofighter after 5 years. see things are slowing down. every country in the world will see that Eurofighter are slow in delivery.
Nobody is denying that there is a pricing dispute over further Typhoon batches for the Saudi Airforce. That is different from saying the whole program is in a worse state then the Gorshkov refit shambles. BAE Systems have met their contractual obligations for the first batch and the type is in Saudi service unlike the INS Vikramaditya which is billions over budget and years behind with significant penalties to boot! Again keep on digging!:D
well he only provided the list of weopons with only one new information that MIG-29M advantage is sooner delivery. which is known fact as MIG-29 line is operational. There is alot of improvement in MIG-29 radar for ground survellence. This is going to be hard bargain for kurds.
http://kurdpress.com/En/NSite/FullSt…#Title=Barzani says is ready to purchase weapons from Russia
So now it is about arms sales to the autonomous Kurdish region is it. So back to your old tricks switching subject…sigh.
Why don’t you read the article you posted, Putin stated he is happy to sell to Iraq but not to fuel a civil war.
That the Mig-29 line is open is not disputed, that Iraq might well have a desire for the type is not disputed. I dispute the closed door deal made by the deputy defence minister and I tire of your statements about how Lockheed Martin can’t meet delivery targets for the F-16 one of the most successful fighters in history with a very mature fully open production line.
Keep digging 😀
I didnot say you should not participate in this topic but atleast some background home work why it needs all those weopons.
I am not going to bother with a longish reply as it is frankly the same old same old!
You see I have done some back ground homework, you are some teenage troll sitting in his bedroom who doesn’t have a clue what he is talking about.
Who is the one here that has been banned before for trolling the forums?
As I have repeatedly said I have no issues with Iraq buying Russian, you on the other hand like to spend plenty of time inventing all sorts of scenarios if it supports your world view. Remember your silly idea that strike aircraft need widely spaced engines and a fuselage spine! Many a good forum member sunk that with good well cited rebuttals and all you could do is blather on about unrelated issues!
That you don’t understand that closed door contracts with no oversight is a corrupt way of operating is rather sad. How is it BAE Systems fault that Saudi Arabia has a poor engineering skills base. Saudi Arabia stipulated it as part of the contract, BAE tried to accomodate and when it clearly wasn’t to be production was shifted. That you are comparing it to the omni-shambles that is the Gorshkov contract is pitifully funny.
Whilst you can’t play nice and generally disrupt the forum the rest of us are getting on with an interesting debate. The new member sheytanelkebir has made some very interesting cited posts about why Iraq is interested in Russian defence procurement and is open to debate you on the other hand are only interested in hearing … “RUSSIA GREAT”
People have asked me before why I reply to you and it is simple, I enjoy rebutting your childish posts. 😀 You do realise that the rest of us laugh at you?
Actually you are wrong there Orion. The BAe 146 was designed to be able to operate from unprepared dirt strips with little to no support. That is one of the reasons it was designed with four engines rather then two. Four engines meant even if one went down whilst out in the wilds the aircraft could still get out. Africa was intended to be a primary civilian market for the type and BAe had significant plans to offer the type as a military STOL transport with austere field operations capability. They even went so far as to mock up one of the prototypes with a probe and camo scheme and there was sales literature produced.

I agree AH-64E is rather pricey unless America subsidised the procurement. I think the AH-1Z Viper is a better fit personally.
Why Su-30MK2 and not Su-30MKI (perfect nomenclature 😉 ) ?
And better yet, why interest in both Flanker and Fulcrum?
That is the one thing that is weird to me about all this.I am guessing the “strategic” weapons were for either Antei-2500 or Iskander.
Which is what bugs me, it is such a scatter-gun set of choices.
Weigh that against the clear procurement of the F-16 and L159.