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FedaykinActually Tempest414 a modern diesel/AIP sub would be a significant worry for a Type 45 as it has minimal ASW capability. The hull Sonar on the Type 45 is optimised to detect mines with a secondary sub detection capability. It is a low cost system based on the EDO Model 997 fitted to a Brazillian navy ship called the MFS-7000. The only thing that can prosecute a target on a Type-45 is the attached helicopter.
Of all the things Argentina is doing in a military sense at the moment reactivating its Diesel subs is rather worrying. If they start messing about in Falklands waters it will be very difficult to keep tabs on them. A Diesel sub in coastal waters is very difficult to detect.
FedaykinWilhem
I’m merely pointing out that it was hypocritical of another poster to mention that the Islanders should be the sole decider of what happens when the festering injustice of Diego Garcia doesn’t seem to make their radar screen.I’ve stated in my earlier post that the Islanders wishes should be paramount, just like it should be in Diego Garcia.
I was merely pointing out the bald hypocrisy of somebody, whether a poster or HM Government, taking a moral stand with this viewpoint.
Ah yes the age old trick if somebody can’t win an argument about the Falklands then bring up the Chago Islanders and Diego Garcia as a stick to bash my country.
Whilst myself and many other British people have sympathy for the plight of the Chagos islanders and feel they should be allowed to return to the outer Island chain they are not an indigenous people to those Islands just the same as the Falkland Islanders. They are a mix of different imported peoples mainly from Africa and the significant proportion were slaves brought in by the French. Unfortunately they are victims of Realpolitik and I think the question why they are not being allowed back actually needs to be placed at Americas door not ours. That the Chagossians have been cruelly treated is widely agreed with in Britain and we have allowed them to settle here in the meantime. That doesn’t mean we as a nation should be tarred as hypocrites over the Falkland Islands.
Fedaykin8 Kilometres, 8000 Kilometres makes no difference!
The only force used was to remove an illegal Argentine garrison in 1833. Argentina used far more force in 1982 and Britain had to sacrifice much blood to right that wrong. Britain held dialogue with Argentina with good will from the 1960’s obeying the UN resolution. It was Argentina that broke that resolution and there is nothing more to talk about. The Falklands are not a colony and I feel no need to apologise for a colonial past that ended before I was born.
I suggest you read the true history published on the Falkland governments website rather then the myth that Argentina peddle mack8:
FedaykinHong Kong is entirely different, it was a lease from China that ended with the UK handing it back to them. So you think it is fair not to recognise the rights of people who have been born, lived and and buried on those Islands for nearly 200 years? How is that fair? The Falklands have been a British territory longer then Argentina has been a country. Britain doesn’t recognise the Peronist myth that was concocted after the second world war about the Islands history. Also Britain does not recognise the Pope or Spain gifting the South Atlantic to the new state of Argentina.The Islanders want to be friends with their larger neighbour but not ruled by them. Once Argentina understands that everything will be better.
You are sorely mistaken if you think many British people agree with your opinion.
FedaykinAparently there are 25 of these F-16s, so there will be enough for both. Don’t know what the romanian government will do, i find it deeply humiliating that those idiots even consider these 3rd hand junks, but probably they will just keep the MiGs flying until the last one crashes… then probably they will beg for someone else ( like their american “allies”) to do their air policing. Traitors…
I would hardly call an F-16 MLU junk mack8, it is a perfectly reasonable solution to both countries defence needs. It is multi role, carries all the latest munitions and can carry a range of different air to air missiles from AMRAAM to IRIS-T. Apparently the Portuguese examples are well maintained and have plenty of flight hours left.
Another nice thing about the F-16 is the large number of overhaul centres to chose from.
FedaykinThe UK would just increase its defensive stance if Argentina purchased that little lot mack8.
Also what you suggest lacks many of the enabling technology and equipment like amphibious assault ships to even have a hope.
I agree that an agreement is long overdue…one where Argentina accepts the self determination rights of the Islanders š
FedaykinWell they are probably the last few MLU F-16 available on the open market with plenty of life on them. Question is has Romania gone off the idea or is Bulgaria trying to gazump them by offering Portugal more then the Romanians. Presumably Portugal will want to get the maximum financial return from any deal. Or do Portugal have enough spare F-16 to satisfy both countries?
FedaykinBulgarian Govt to Buy Third-Hand Fighter Jets from Portugal ā Report (excerpt)
Are those the same F-16 Romania wanted?
Clearly the Bulgarian reporter is not happy about the idea!
FedaykinAt least some of these issues would affect the V-22 as well, so I’d definitely prefer the AW609 – the real question is whether it could compete with the simplicity of a Merlin-based solution with either Vigilance or Searchwater.
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I doubt it! The simplicity and lowest acquisition cost of a Merlin based solution will win through. The MOD has pretty much confirmed it will be a Merlin based solution, the decision now is between Vigilance or Cerberus.
FedaykinNot very modern, but the Kalinin K7 was a monstrosity:
How did it ever fly?!:eek:
FedaykinI have spoken for you a few times recently Buitreaux, nice to see you back.
Prospero AƱo Nuevo!
I take it I am right in thinking that if Argentina was to buy a Chinese fighter (or Russian) it would have to be forced on the FAA by the Argentine Ministry of Defence.
Our general consensus here at the moment is upgraded Mirage F-1 is the best choice, how say you?
FedaykinPretty much, “hurt the economy of the islanders the most we can” seems to have a fair amount of popular support and traction within Argentina these days.
Argentina is really pushing the idea of a transplanted colonial population these days. I believe the old propaganda in Argentina was they were brother Argentines under the jack-boot of British colonial oppression! Argentine troops marching into Stanley in 82 were truly expecting Spanish speaking islanders who would be celebrating their release from British oppression! That the population was entirely English speaking and were not happy at all really shocked them! So now the line is “transplanted population of the colonial occupier” meaning in the eyes of the average Argentine they have no right to talk on the matter.
An absurd scenario really and as Britain holds the high ground in a military sense something which will give them no traction whatsoever with the Islanders. On the other hand the mob loves it in Buenos Aires…
FedaykinIndeed Tempest414, to regenerate the Argentine armed forces into a state of capability to actually perform a successful amphibious assault on the Falklands would take a decade or more with expenditure beyond what they are prepared to satisfy.
What is more realistic is more limited expenditure to procure systems that harass the Islands and make its defence and general day to day life more expensive. They are already attempting to do this with their economic blockade, so patrol corvettes that attempt to stop all ships for inspection just outside the Falklands economic zone would be one more affordable action. It would require the RN to massively increase its presence to escort vessels in and out of the zone. That increases cost massively for the UK and massively hinders life on the Islands. The Argentine excuse would be they are trying to stop exploitation of resources like oil and the stops would be to insure that no oil industry equipment is getting through. Argentina wouldn’t need a fancy vessel for that just something with Diesel engines, a decent 2D radar and a deck gun plus ribs for the inspection teams. A large number of cheap twin engine MPA would also help in that task as it could spot for the patrol corvette. That causes issues for the Typhoon on MPA as they would have to perform long range intercepts of those MPA to shoo them away. If it is harassment outside the zone then Argentines are daring us to escalate the situation in open waters thus evoking the anger on the UN. Notice Argentina recently did just what I suggested to a couple of Chinese fishing vessels arresting them in international waters.
They could also just stop the Lan Chile flight which again squeezes the economy of the Islanders, along with the cruize ship blockade which Islanders say has hurt the economy.
So to conclude targeted investment to increase the scope of the economic blockade is what worries me most at the moment as it is popular in Argentina, has support from their cronies on the C24 and does hurt the Islanders way of life.
FedaykinI checked the build strategy video and indeed it is as planned a push back of the forward section, that also being the last push of any section. There are subtle detail changes for example the build video has the forward Island on at this point of build whilst in the real world it is still to be delivered. A logical move, why do the push back with the weight of the Island on. This time next year she will be effectively a complete ship albeit with lots of fitting out still to happen.
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