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  • in reply to: T-50 for $25 million, cheap or expensive? #2333967
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    Indonesia buys $400M of Korean jets

    May 26, 2011
    Korea yesterday signed a massive deal with Indonesia to export T-50 trainer jets, the first sale abroad of the country’s supersonic aircraft.

    Korea Aerospace Industries agreed with Indonesia’s Defense Ministry to sell 16 T-50 Golden Eagle jets in the $400 million deal. The aircraft will be delivered by the end of 2013, according to the agreement.

    Indonesia has been looking to replace its aged fleet of training jets, and Jakarta short-listed the T-50s last year with two other jets from Russia and the Czech Republic. After Korea’s state-run aerospace company was selected as the preferred bidder on April 12, 20 KAI officials in charge of exports have stayed in Indonesia to negotiate the specifics. After 50 days of talks, Indonesia decided on the Korean jets.

    The T-50s were jointly developed with U.S.-based Lockheed Martin in a 13-year project that cost 2 trillion won ($1.8 billion).

    Yesterday’s deal is seen as a doorway for Korea to export the aircraft to other buyers such as the United States, Israel and Poland. The Lee Myung-bak administration has long strived to make the planes an export industry, but its main obstacle was the jet’s expensive sticker price, roughly $25 million.

    A high-profile Indonesian delegation visited Korea in February to discuss defense cooperation, but the trip was marred by an embarrassing break-in at a hotel room of a member of the delegation by Korean agents of some sort. While Seoul denies it, accusations were made that the National Intelligence Service was behind the break-in.

    “The successful deal with Indonesia proves the tireless efforts and cooperation among Korea’s government, military and civilian industry,” the Korea Aerospace Industries said. “With this sale, a green light is turned on for Korean arms exports.”

    “I am thrilled to conclude the deal ahead of the company’s initial public offering,” said Kim Hong-kyung, president of Korea Aerospace Industries.

    Recent media reports said Korea’s jets are in a final round of bidding for a deal with Israel.

    http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2936726

    I would say pretty reasonable, considering Jf-17/FC-1 comes a little bit cheaper at around 20mil (rumored). Tejas, with the same engine and radar comes at around 30 mil (rumored). Of course T-50 doesn’t come with ECM, advanced data-links but is good enough for smaller airforces looking for a light, cheap aircraft for air patrol and COIN for replacing their f-4’s and mig-21’s. Small aircraft market is getting too competitive nowadays 🙂

    in reply to: SAAB to build Sea Gripen demonstrator? #2334539
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    Someone must have show a very strong interest for SAAB to invest in Sea Gripen, and as the first project at that.
    Brazil/India/Italy/Spain

    you can safely count India out. Even with the Indian standard speed of development, they intend to bring out a homegrown bird in the same class in the same timeline. Others may go for it only if f-35b goes down the drain.

    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode XVI #2335150
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    The current 117 or 117M as it is also designated is somewhere in the 14.900-15.200kgf me think.

    This is all cosher. Should make it well within its required performance envelope.
    It should be enough to say to all teens and Euro-carnards:

    “Step aside”😎

    Now if it is an additional 15% thrust increase..:eek:

    thats more than 17 tonnes already, not bad 😎

    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode XVI #2335464
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    if anything, the FGFA need more thrust than Pak-Fa :rolleyes:

    in reply to: When did Europe awaken to Stealth? #2336085
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    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode XVI #2336471
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    Inverted Pak-Fa

    Doesn’t even look like a plane in this one 😛

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2337130
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    Just making things up as we go along..are we?

    probably intrigued by this : Respect Pak sovereignty, China tells US

    BEIJING: China has warned in unequivocal terms that any attack on Pakistan would be construed as an attack on China. Beijing has advised Washington to respect Pakistan’s sovereignty and solidarity and this was formally conveyed to the United States at last week’s China-US strategic dialogue and economic talks.

    Sources disclosed that China had also agreed to provide Pakistan 50 new JF-17 Thunder multi-role fighter planes for its air force. The Block-58 planes would be produced in Pakistan under a co-production agreement. It is likely that the production of the planes would start in June next year and till then China will complete the supply of 50 JF-17 planes for which an agreement was signed earlier.

    The two countries are also in the process of discussing the supply of J-20 Stealth and Xiaolong/FC-1 multi-purpose light fighter aircraft to Pakistan. They are discussing the mode of payment and the number of planes to be provided to Pakistan, the sources said.

    in reply to: Indian AF News and Discussion Part 16. #2337133
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    Rustom 1 UAV pictures..

    http://frontierindia.org/album/files/2011/05/rustam-1-UAV.jpg

    http://frontierindia.org/album/files/2011/05/rustam-1-UAV-flight.jpg"]Pic 2

    Pic 3

    thats one evil looking UAV. Is it designed to carry Nag or is it just recon as of now ?

    in reply to: Indian AF News and Discussion Part 16. #2337422
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    Flight-test of Astra fails

    DRDO’s Chief Controller (Missiles and Strategic Systems) Avinash Chander said the mission could not be completed as the missile developed a “control-related fault” when a manoeuvre was attempted. “A snag developed during a manoeuvre. The missile lost control after it reached a certain height. A team is analysing the data.”

    Btw Astra has a beautiful smokeless plume 🙂

    http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRE3EqxzA72CNoxsYU1dNe9LPkTh52J7GhAiXVyKDIjxp4g5Nt7

    in reply to: MMRCA News and Discussion 8 #2337484
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    True . The bottleneck is again (as usual I should say) the amount of electrical power the radar needs to perform fully . Is the aircraft capable to give such electrical power without degrading the entire aircraft systems ?

    Why do you think that the F-22 and late Sukhois have great detection range ? The size of the dish ? Yes surely but mostly because they have huge output power from the big engines to run the big dish .
    The Typhoon is going to run into the very same problem than Rafale has and since it is supposed to have more TR modules than Rafale , the problem is even bigger . Keep that in mind . 😉

    The Captor-M is most probably the best mechanical radar out there in terms of overall capabilities . But as Mildave said : “Going from mechanical to electronical is a more thorough change than from PESA to AESA.” .
    As an example , Dassault knew that fitting the Rafale with an upgraded RDY-2 would give the fighter around 40% more range (!) than a Pesa radar but they choose the Pesa .
    They sacrified range for instantaneous beam steering and simultaneous air and ground scanning .
    Some “unofficial” reports from ex M2000-5F pilots flying the Rafale are quoting the mechanical RDY having a better range than the Pesa RBE2 in some occasions , like against big RCS targets at long range (read F-15s , SU-30s and the like) .
    But they also say that a Rafale has the first look on a M2000 .
    Do the math 😉

    Let ‘s be honest here , if we trust the various sources that we have , the RBE2-AA has around 838 (?) TR modules with a range of around 160km against a 5m RCS target . If the Typhoon with 1400 TR modules archive (so far) a 120km range , there is something wrong or at least unclear .

    To me , it means three things who might not be linked to each other (but they can be) :
    -1) Typhoon is not using the same UMS modules than Rafale (lesser ones)
    or :
    -2) the back-end is not up to speed
    or :
    -3) the Typhoon is not having the needed power to fully run the radar .

    When you test a radar , you usually increase the output power notch by notch until to reach the maximum safe limit within the test parameters .
    If a 120km range has been archived and put forward by EADS , it is because they couldn ‘t do better or they would surely talked about it and say 150km or 180km , etc …
    We need to take facts as they are and not try to extrapolate too much .

    Cheers .

    now c’mon bluewings, thats just slander :p
    i mean seriously both aircrafts have been found to be compatible with IAF doctrines, its no longer about the best aircraft now !!
    Rafale has had its share of unfair criticisms, its more of a multi role right now than typhoon, but some arguments have crossed the levels of insanity. If rafale doesn’t make it through in MMRCA as well. it would mean only one thing, that rafale is too advanced for any airforce of the world except the french.

    in reply to: Indian AF News and Discussion Part 16. #2338063
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    An Anglo-Indian is to be the next Chief of the IAF. Some conspiracy theorists may suggest that this will tend to favour the Typhoon in the competition against the French Rafale !:P

    Air Marshal NAK (Charlie) Browne will be the next IAF Chief of Staff.

    [url=http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/]

    and as Ajai Shukla says

    BTW, Air Marshal Browne was one of the first batch of IAF pilots to be trained on the Jaguar in the UK..here is a picture of him (when he was a Flt Lt.) along with another former IAF Air Chief, Air Chief Marshal SP Tyagi, when they were in Britain.

    http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/images/aircraft/Jaguar08.jpg

    L to R: – Flt Lt DC Kumaria, Flt Lt SCS Adhikari, Sqn Ldr DDS Kumar, Wg Cdr DR Nadkarni, Sqn Ldr SP Tyagi, Flt Lt NAK Browne, Sqn Ldr M McMahon. Sqn Ldr JS Sisodia is on the ladder.

    So if he was from puducherry with a french heritage that would have meant rafale ? or maybe Manmohan Singh was recruited into MI5 when he was at oxford, or is Sonia Gandhi the femme fatale’ sent by NATO to tap into India’s first family ? Conspiracy theorists would believe anything.

    Btw “Charlie Brown” ? thats like the cutest nickname :p

    in reply to: Russian Aviation News – Part the Fourth #2339200
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    I know, they are not in the same class, but the question is still valid. One less rich state, which could not buy expensive multi-role super sonic fighters, could base its air force around advanced jet trainers equipped with radar and AAMs like Yak-130 or any other. If that state is attacked by a state, which have multi-role fighters, they have only two options. Send planes against enemy fighters or hide them deep underground and let air defense do the job if they could.

    there are already 2 light fighters other than gripen, tejas and jf-17, and korean T-50 trainer which is already being marketed as a “fighter” to certain less ambitious nations. If you want aircrafts only for CAS and dropping some bombs, even super tucano fits the bill, and there are more than enough second hand f-16’s and mig-29’s.

    in reply to: Indian AF News and Discussion Part 16. #2339270
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    M2K upgrade…

    Link

    Compare with

    Does either of the upgrade includes datalinks for Awacs ?

    in reply to: MMRCA News and Discussion 8 #2339456
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    Full story: DefenceDog: MiG Failed But Not Forgotten: MMRCA Defeat…

    Abstracts:
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    [*]In addition, there is considerable suspicion that if Republicans win the presidential election in 2012 and withdrawal of Obama from the White House; warm US-Indian friendship may cool down in favor of more “traditional” allies of Washington, like the same arch rival of Delhi – Islamabad. Because of U.S. policy of isolationists, & provided that US is never shy when it comes to what they consider “national interest”, India has to seriously consider the likelihood of a negative scenario, in which she risks a virtual standstill with the United States in the middle of the implementation of offset programs.

    Post 1971, Indians have started to get better treatment under republicans. It was under Reagan that IN Marcos were formed and trained by Navy Seals and US did not oppose sale of harriers and M2k to India.

    Clinton slaps sanctions on India for nuclear tests and GW Bush revokes them and includes India as an exceptional case to NSG.

    [*]Leaking confidential & technical information to Russia about the US planes, being supplied to Indian air force, may inhibit Americans in limiting the transfer of information at an early stage of the tender.

    Considering that the only country with Flankers that participates in DACT with US and uses them in a restricted mode shows that they value both US and Russia as friends.

    [*]Much more likely to clinch Russia is China, who clearly intends to get into this same market of cheap light aviation with its “Fierce dragon” FC-1, also known as the JF-17. But that’s a separate story, the more so in the Celestial Empire, with its relatively low-tech engine (remember that export JF-17 is so far flying on the Russian RD-93).

    Russia did not allow the export of RD-93 to pakistan which as of now is the only customer of JF-17.

    This article is really really messed up in its facts.

    in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 5 #2339568
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    This is not the Cold War where the Soviets tried to out do the West militarily. China wants to out do everyone economically, military capability will grow naturally as a result. Like the Soviets China saves money by not making risky bets on next generation concepts. Unlike them, China will have the largest economy in the world, and keeping up will be a breeze.

    China doesn’t need to have the best military gadgets. It only needs to keep up with the best, that being the US. Europe, Russia, Japan, none of them are in the same league in the long run.

    Thinking this in terms of an arms race is losing the game before it even started.

    Its hard to outdo the combined might of all US allies, economically and militarily even with worlds largest economy. Even more so when these countries can cut down their massive developmental costs with active collaboration.

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