Twinblade@ Twinblade: I guess the typhoon is also better in AtA than the T50,
now come on, tiffy having an edge over Mki in A2A because of lower RCS CAESAR and meteor is acceptable, but Pak-Fa ? its a long shot isn’t it ?
and that the MKI’s engine has been engineered for low altitude flight efficiency,
I suppose they work even better at high altitudes.
And of course somebody told us the Indian are not happy with the AtA capabilities of the MKI…
Never heard of such a thing, its the best they have. It may not be world’s best but good enough to make it the spearhead of their doctrine.
TwinbladeFinally the IAF already has the MKI + Pakfa for air superiority, and M2000 + Tejas for interception, and I don’t think the Typhoon can fill the gap as a workhorse. You need a plane capable to do it all, and so far only the rafale has proved itself as such.
Mki can easily perform the strike duties like f-15E. If typhoon is better than Mki at A2A, then it will be Mki’s carrying the strike packages with typhoons for cover.
TwinbladeThis is one of the most majestic pic of flanker i have ever seen. The pilots head looks so tiny as compared to the rest of the plane.
TwinbladeLoke :
Like many other fine gentlemen , you fail to understand than 1 : RWRs will detect the adverse radar way before the 5th gen to be in range to fire and 2 : to score a BVR kill , the missile must hit .
A missile leaving its rail does not mean a kill , not yet . All good missiles have some ECCMs but none are jam proof . Three things can be jammed , the adverse aircraft ‘s radar if the tracking is continuous , the missile up-link and the missile ‘s radar itself when it goes live .
Without an external “eye” (third part) and/or external tracking (third part) , a 5th gen fighter is in the same sh.t than a 4th gen fighter in BVR , beside the fact that it can close in much easily . Even if it fires at 20-30km , there is still enough time for a good ECM suite to pulse away thousands of electronic tricks .
But if the BVR missile is using an IR seeker , things get a bit more complicated for the defender …
A lot of people believe that such combat will end up WVR .
Cheers .
Surely the euro canards are at a disadvantage, but is definitely not going to be one sided. According to fanboys an aircraft of a newer generation can completely overwhelm one from the older generation, especially in BVR, but western jamming and ECM operate at a level where they make even the most studied and vulnerable aircrafts competitive. For eg- At red flag 08, Mig-21 Bisons with Israeli jamming pods were able to avoid being targeted by F-15c operating in wartime configuration till the merge. Agreed it would be much difficult with AESA radar’s LPI mode and passive detection but next gen jammers will definitely come up within the next decade to enable euro birds to avoid getting toasted till WVR, and 4.5 gens have as good passive sensors. It may not be 1to1 ratio of kills, but considering to cost and tactical value of 5th gens, the damage would be huge.
TwinbladeBased on what? They never even came to India for trials.
No idea TR1, i always thought that the twin rotors would make it more survivable in hot and high environment, albeit with a lighter armor.
TwinbladeSooner or later this will happen. May be it already happened. Cause, economic size: China ,US$ 9 trillions (PPP basis) vs Russia US$ 2.5 trillions (PPP basis).
Also in the long term there will be more J-20s than PAK-FAs.
There is no way Russian can compete in a quantitative basis and will be forced to have a sizable tech advantage as well as a strong nuclear arsenal.
that would mean more than 500 J 20’s
TwinbladeIf high service ceiling is a requirement, wouldnt Ka-50/52 be of interest? At least to evaluate?
The Mi-28 is a heavy beast (a lot mor armour etc than AH64) and I doubt it could even match the service ceiling of the Apache. So if you feel the need to let in the Rus in the attack helo tender to keep them in good mood, why not go for the Kamov design instead?
Kamov choppers couldn’t make it to the finals.
TwinbladeI have some doubts on 100kN, but a common engine for further orders of the LCA MK2 (later maybe AMCA), as well the licence produced Rafales (because the engine might only be ready by the time the licence production of MMRCAs would start), is a tremendous advantage and a win win situation for both sides!
Not only that the commonality should reduce the costs for India, but integrated into the Rafale it should fulfill the thrust requirements of the UAE as well, which means they don’t need to fund the higher thrust M88 anymore (half of the fundings would have been from France as well). Moreover, there are reports that French companies already are working with the Indian side on TVC features for the Kaveri engine, which might be interesting for the Rafale as well.
Its going to take some time Sancho. Kaveri in its current form is closer to GE404, and is undergoing testing. According to the deal with Snecma, they are going to try to integrate a tweaked up M-88 core on Kaveri to get around 90 KN thrust on afterburner. Simultaneously a core will be jointly developed in which DRDO is going to develop low pressure stage and Snecma will develop high pressure stage to get 95-100 KN (work is yet to start on this phase), which is going to be the engine for Tejas Mk1 midlife upgrade and AMCA TD’s and Tejas Mk2 block 2. This will be followed by an even more powerful totally indigenous core which will ultimately form the engine for AMCA post 2025, so its a good 7-8 years before we will see a 100 KN Snecma-kaveri.
TwinbladeTo those who blabber about industrial espionage and buying blue prints etc trying to discredit chinese effort:
Sure, Chinese did some of that. but the point is even if they did all of those that would not garantee a successful product.
as far as I can tell, J-15 has new structure, flight controls, and new avionics package. To design a new flight control, they had to have good aero- and structure data. RUssians as far as I knew never sold any thing like that to Chinese. They had to stick this thing in Wind tunnels and in CFDs and rework it from pretty much ground up.
In another word, sure you can buy blue prints (btw original contract for J-11 calls for blue prints) , sure, or you can steal some bits of data, but you can’t get the entire data package that makes up the analysis that goes into the airplane.
To wave off chinese progress on industrial espionage and buying blue prints really betrays some of commentator’s utter lack of experience in aeronautic industry.
No offence but you really make it sound as if they borrowed su-33’s to study how naval aircrafts work and came out with a superhornet. :p
Any info over the structural changes or anything that can be seen by comparing photographs ?
Any new composites to lighten the airframe up ?
Any change in internal fuel volume or any observable bump to confirm so ?
Is it driven by AL-31 or WS-10A ?
Any difference in flight envelope or anything which might suggest a major reworking of FCS ?
Does it feature a homegrown IRST and radar or plans to use an imported one till the domestic version is ready ?
PS : Is there even a snowballs chance in hell that Sukhoi can file a case in a Chinese court over IP infringement and win it ? (I am not asking whether they will, but what if they do ?) because anyhow china would be self sufficient in the next 5 years so it won’t matter to Russian firms if they can milk some money out of the J-flankers.
Twinbladeit will be ok for cold low lands but rubbish where it is really needed in hot low hot high places. Too heavy and as we found out performance was not good as it was written on the label. Plus next door have it. Not to mention having to fire off a million pound missile just so you can use your guns.
Our neighbors don’t have apache. It is the only other helicopter in the world with service ceiling as high as LCH.
TwinbladeI have a few queries about the AWACS systems that IAF has recently acquired
1. What are the current fighters that have been integrated with the Phalcons?
2. The Mki’s came with their own data links to share radar data with each other, have they been fit with Indian data links or did the Russians make customized data links for them or whether they were of Israeli origin to begin with?
3. Did M2k and Mig-29 come with their own data links ? Is integration with AWACS one of the requirements of the recent M2K, Mig-29 and Jaguar upgrades ?
4. Though Mig-21 and Mig-27 will be getting phased out without upgrades, will they be integrated with AWACS for the remainder of their service life? or will it just be verbal communication ?
5. If i understand correctly, the data link usually pumps in data into the mission computers of the fighters. How the hell did they manage to make data links that can negotiate the protocols for Russian, Indian and French mission computers without ripping their source code apart line by line ?
TwinbladeKaveri does’nt relate to TejasII, they already settled for F414, hopefully the EPE variant.
EPE version does not come out till 2014. India has already placed the order.
TwinbladeHow much do they have to re-invest into India in those? Just wondering if the contracts are all similar with 30% offset etc…
In case of heavy lift helos, Chinook is competing with Mi-26 for an order of 15 units. For attack Helos, as of now Apache longbow and Mi-28 are competing for 22 helicopter order, LCH has orders for 64 units from IAF and almost twice the number for Army. Multirole and light utility helicopters shall see a similar fate where only a small number of birds will be imported to address the attrittion and letting the domestic variants mature. The numbers are not large enough to justify setting up of assembly lines in case ToT is sought. Anyhow we won’t be seeing an MMRCA type circus all over again 🙂
TwinbladeI don’t know whether this is a repost but..
Indian armed forces to induct 1,000 helicopters by 2020
The choppers to be inducted into the Army, Navy and Air Force include around 450 light utility, 12 VVIP, over 200 attack, 139 Mi-17 transport and 15 heavy-lift helicopters and over 50 multi-role helicopters for the Navy, Defence Ministry officials told PTI here.
lots of contracts to make russian and american firms happy 🙂
TwinbladeThe Su-33 is in dire need of an update.. and while Russia refused to sell SU-33’s to China unless it ordered a significant amount to justify re-starting the production line.. China went ahead and made their own line on its own.. and likely have created a version with updated avionics.
Could this also serve Russia’s interest in which it can acquire the J-15s to save time and money on its own Su-33 update?
…and the chinese could also throw in refurbished varyag to sweeten the deal 🙂
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