The LCA is a simple Mig-21 replacement for the IAF,
MiG-21 replacement but hardly simple 🙂
as well as being short legged, so it’s unlikely to ever be exported.
Short legged ? Tejas is short legged ? FA-50 and Jf-17 would require an external tank to match the fuel carried by Tejas internally, which is shaven off their external payload and adds to drag. It carries the highest amount of fuel internally in its class. Only Girpen C will exceed its range given the best in class external usable payload. As far as exports are considered the production lines as it is would struggle to meet IAF’s requirement for the next dozen years, considering the shortfall in squadron strength, there would be no spare capacity for exports.
(All figures sourced from official sites, brochures, info boards and presentations, recommend corrections wherever required)
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| [tr] | |
| [td]Aircraft[/td] | |
| [td]Empty Weight[/td] | |
| [td]Take off weight (clean)[/td] | |
| [td]Hard point capacity (max)[/td] | |
| [td]Take off weight (max)[/td] | |
| [td]External usable load when fully fueled (max)[/td] | |
| [/tr] | |
| [tr] | |
| [td]Jf-17[/td] | |
| [td]6450 Kg (link)/6577 Kg (PAC)[/td] | |
| [td]9100 Kg with 2 SRAAM (link)[/td] | |
| [td]4600 Kg (link)[/td] | |
| [td]12700 Kg (link)/12367 Kg (PAC)[/td] | |
| [td]3500 to 4000 Kg considering whichever statistic is accurate[/td] | |
| [/tr] | |
| [tr] | |
| [td]FA-50[/td] | |
| [td]6470 Kg (KAI)/6354 Kg (LM)[/td] | |
| [td]8890 Kg (link)[/td] | |
| [td]4400 to 4500 Kg (link)[/td] | |
| [td]12300 Kg (KAI)/ 13500 Kg (LM)[/td] | |
| [td]3400 to 4500 Kg considering whichever statistic is accurate[/td] | |
| [/tr] | |
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| [td]Gripen C[/td] | |
| [td]6800 Kg (SAAB)[/td] | |
| [td]SAAB cites 2400 Kg of onboard fuel (link) which should imply 9300-9400 Kg[/td] | |
| [td]5300 Kg (link)[/td] | |
| [td]14000 Kg (SAAB)[/td] | |
| [td] Should be in the range of 4600 to 4800 Kg[/td] | |
| [/tr] | |
| [tr] | |
| [td]Tejas[/td] | |
| [td]6560 Kg (ADA)[/td] | |
| [td]9500 Kg (ADA) / 9800 Kg (ADA) (even though it says clean | the 9800 Kg weight is supposed to be with two SRAAM)[/td] |
| [td]5500 Kg/5700 Kg if you include the hard point for pod(link)[/td] | |
| [td]13200 Kg (ADA)[/td] | |
| [td]3600 to 3700 Kg[/td] | |
| [/tr] |
in other news, the HJT-36 Sitara is apparently very close to achieving IOC as well! This went completely under the radar, with some news report from a few months ago suggesting that the spin and stall characteristics were causing some issues.
In Tejas’ shadow, Sitara trainer also poised to enter service
Thats about $6.5 million per unit for the IJT at current exchange rates.
Should be anytime in the next coming weeks.

If there were a LIFT based on Tejas, would the performance requirements be relaxed enough to permit Kaveri to be fitted?
Whilst we’re on the subject, is work continuing on the engine? The official line a while back was that it could be suited to e.g. future UAV projects, but was this just a smokescreen or does Kaveri actually have a future?
The original engine is headed back to Russia to revalidate a few performance parameters. It will be tested on a MiG-29 flight bed later. They haven’t finalised partner for the next generation engine.
Finally! A good replacement for the R-77 in IAF and also would obviate the need to buy the Derby.
http://m.timesofindia.com/india/Astra-carriage-trials-with-Su-30-begins/articleshow/26955534.cms
Astra production will begin in late 2015, once it has been cleared in IAF user trials. It will take time to ramp up production numbers, ordering Derby is inevitable.
Mi-17 fleet would be retrofitted with CMDS and lighter composite armor.
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2013/20131222/nation.htm#9
in other news, the HJT-36 Sitara is apparently very close to achieving IOC as well! This went completely under the radar, with some news report from a few months ago suggesting that the spin and stall characteristics were causing some issues.
In Tejas’ shadow, Sitara trainer also poised to enter service
Thats about $6.5 million per unit for the IJT at current exchange rates.
Good, now they should immediately start off with a LIFT project as well, probably based off Tejas trainer instead of the supersonic two engined HJT-39 CAT proposal they pushed a few years back.
Even assuming that HAL/ADA opted for a 100kN engine, instead of the 120kN variant on the Gripen E
Gripen E will fly on vanilla GE-f414-400 rated at 22000 lbs (97.86 KN) and not the EPE variant. The EPE variant will not be ready for production for a while.
http://www.gripenblogs.com/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?ID=580
@ Twinblade, great video…. btw, how do you embed that video?
Use the [video] video link [/video] tags, or hit the film strip button on top of the reply box and paste the link in it.
Navy promo film.
What about Rustom 1 project, the number of flights so far and the road-map ahead? Will it be used as UAV for the
Users?
The project was taken up to develop and demonstrate several technologies required for the development of advanced UAVs. A Real Time Simulator (RTS) of the UAV has been developed to validate the missions and train the UAV and Payload operators. An External Pilot (EP) Simulator has also been developed and being used extensively for training the EPs for take-off and landing phases of the missions. The Avionics Systems have been provided with redundant systems and Redundancy Management has been incorporated and validated during the development flights
Present status
Rustom-1 has completed more than 30 successful flights, and has accumulated more than 25 hours of flight time to progressively incorporate various elements of the UAV and expand the operational envelope of the system. The users have evinced keen interest in inducting Rustom 1 into service and deploying it for tactical roles.
Future Plans
The Indian Army has inducted our Nishant UAV recently, and started deploying it for their regular operations. The Nishant UAV uses a mobile-launcher and a parachute recovery system, which gives it several tactical operational advantages. Wherever required, the conventional take-off & landing capability of Rustom 1 can be used to supplement the existing capabilities. We believe that a combination of Nishant and Rustom 1 will add enormous value to the operational capabilities of the armed forces. We will continue to use the Rustom 1 as a Flying Test Bed (FTB) or Technology Development & Demonstration platform to master further UAV technologies like Automatic Take-off & Landing (ATOL), Evaluation & Validation of Payloads and Data link. The systems will also be used to validate various emerging concepts of operations of UAVs.Could you give us an overview of Rustom-II? What’s the latest on the components and the airframe? When will the integration start and what’ the time-line for the flight?
Rustom II is a project which we have taken up for design and development of Medium Altitude Long Endurance (MALE) UAV system as required by the Indian Armed Forces. The MALE UAV system is being developed to meet the specific requirements projected by Indian Army, Air Force and Navy.
Scope of the UAV Project
The UAV is required to operate at high altitudes and cater to long mission durations. We have designed the Data link to enhance the existing capability of line-of-sight system and also to be able to use SATellite-based COMmand (SATCOM) system. Adequate redundancy is being provided for all critical system to ensure reliability for long endurance application requirements. Initially, the take –off & landing will be controlled by the External Pilot, based on technology mastered through the Rustom 1 project. However, we are gearing up to incorporate automatic Take-off & Landing system for Rustom II. Because of the nature of operation of the system, we need to bring in formal certification of all elements of the Rustom II UAV through close interactions with CEMILAC.
As in the other UAVs like Nishant & Rustom 1, the mission functions will be fully automated, with provision for the Internal Pilot to intervene and take over control during critical phases of the mission with commands from the Ground Control Station (GCS). Rustom II is designed to carry several types of payload sensors, as required by the users. This enables round-the-clock and all-weather operation of the system.
Present Status
We have completed the realization of the prototype hardware of most of the subsystems, including the airframe, engines, Control system and other onboard Avionics systems. The two engines were integrated on the airframe and an integrated engine run, using fuel system on the aircraft, was completed recently. At present first prototype is being integrated and tested in preparation for Low Speed Taxi Trials (LSTT). The successful progress of these trials will lead to High Speed Taxi Trials (HSTT) and then to the first flight of the UAV by June 2014. We plan to conduct the flight trials of the UAV in full-up configuration for the users, by December 2014.
http://www.aeromag.in/sites/default/files/AM%20NOV%202013-%20dplow.pdf
potential radar choices:
Elta EL2032 – no
SABR/RACR – US AESA radars. Unlikely IMHO US wouldn’t sell this for the Iraqi F16s.
SamsungThales AESA radar – maybe
LigNex1 AESA radar – Maybe
Selex VIXEN-500E AESA radar – Maybepotential engine choices:
F404 – if this is kept, then the Iraqis got well and truly mugged
F414 – Best bet IMHO
EJ200 – outside chanceanother question is whether they keep the existing wings / hardpoints or have the strengthened wings with 9 total hardpoints.
I doubt that Iraqis would prefer the Elta radar and Elisra EW suite. Less than two years for delivery means there won’t be any engine change. Even if the first prototype was ready it would take two years to flight test it.

That radar mast on Kolkata class gives it a rather distinctive look.
Evolution of LCH


Original concept 2001-2003:- More or less HAL Dhruv with Tandem seat arrangement

Redesigned concept mock up:- significant redesign keeping radar cross section reduction in mind.


Further redesign to a more practical shape (2008).

First Prototype TD-1, March 2010

Second Prototype TD-2, June 2011
– Significant weight reduction
– Wing Stub redesign

Modified second prototype TD-2 June 2013
– Further redesign of wing stub
– Addition of extra armor plates on cockpit
– Addition of cowling on the landing gear
Further modifications in TD-2 expected (early 2014):-
– Addition of sensor package
– Weaponisation of TD-2
Roll out of TD-3 in early 2014, may feature
-Redesigned exhaust for thermal signature reduction
-Smaller windows.
-Electronic Warfare suite and defensive aides suite.
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From recent crucial sea level trials at Chennai





The second prototype (TD-2) of Light Combat Helicopter (LCH) successfully completed the sea-level trials at Air Force Station, Tambaram in Chennai, last month. A product of Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), the LCH — painted in camouflage colours — had the trials
from October 28 to November 23. The extensive trials were carried out to validate the design improvements implemented on the prototype based on the feedback from initial sea-level trials carried out during June 2012.
A company official told Express that a total of 32 flights were carried out covering helicopter performance, load measurement, handling qualities for various all-up weights (with external stores installed), bank turns and spot turns, low speed handling, single engine performance and auto-rotation. “Considerable improvements have been observed in the performance parameters in comparison with the earlier sea-level trials. All the test points planned were completed successfully with no major snags observed. Representatives of customers and certifying authorities were present during the trials,” the official said.
Based on the feedback on various tests done on LCH TD-1, the designers have gone for optimum transmission, modified rotor system and additional weight-reduction on TD-2. “The TD-1 had dummy weapons and sensors. Now, the TD-2 will prepare itself for hot weather trials and we will integrate mission sensors and weapons,” the official added.
Confirming the trials, HAL chairman R K Tyagi said that the LCH programme is steadily progressing as per the script. “One phase of trials got over in Chennai and now we are looking forward to other critical missions. The lessons learnt from the Dhruv experience is coming handy to our designers, engineers and Test pilots,” Tyagi said.
Since its first flight in June 2011, the LCH TD-2 has so for logged 96 flying hours (146 sorties). The LCH first prototype (TD1) had its maiden flight on March 29, 2010 and has to its credit over 140 sorties. HAL is in the process of accelerating the prototype development flight testing of LCH to achieve the proposed initial operational clearance (IOC) by December 2015. The company now plans to add another prototype (LCH TD-3) to the flight-line by next year.
http://tarmak007.blogspot.in/2013/12/second-lch-prototype-completes.html
That looks like a Martel.
Indeed, except with with what appears to be a difference in position of tail fins.
A better pic of one of the P-15A ships.