Sous like P17A will be moving to P15A size or larger still P15B… might merging of the two projects yield some efficiencies?
That’s what I was thinking, anything bigger than Shivalik class and it becomes as heavy as Kolkata class !!
Boeing Offers Medium-sized Maritime Surveillance Aircraft

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=495
Boeing today announced that it is offering a medium-sized Maritime Surveillance Aircraft (MSA) to the global market. MSA builds on technologies developed for Boeing’s larger Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) platforms to provide a highly capable, low-risk and cost-effective ISR solution.
“The Boeing Maritime Surveillance Aircraft directly applies advanced, proven and fielded capabilities from our P-8, Airborne Warning and Control System, and Airborne Early Warning and Control programs to solve our international customers’ maritime surveillance challenges,” said Tim Peters, Boeing vice president and general manager, Surveillance and Engagement. “We’ve selected a preferred aircraft and are in discussions with a manufacturer about supplying and modifying their aircraft. We hope to have an announcement on that element by the end of this year.”
Looks like Boeing is hell bent on getting the MRMR tender.
On the tejas official site, they have listed the thrust of Ge-404IN20 as 90 KN 😮
Powerplant
F404-GE-IN20
Dimensions: Diameter 890 mm, Length 3.9 m
Weights: Max Weight 1,035 kg (2,282 lb)
Engines Performance: Thrust 9,163 kg (20,200 lb)
http://India finalizing mega stealth frigates’ project for over Rs 50,000 crore
NEW DELHI: India’s mammoth over Rs 50,000 crore plan to construct seven advanced stealth frigates, with all weapon and missile systems under the hull for a lower radar “signature”, is finally gathering some momentum now in tune with the overall strategy to build a futuristic blue-water Navy indigenously. This major plan, codenamed “Project-17A”, will be a strong booster dose for defence shipyards since it will be shared between Mazagon Docks (MDL) at Mumbai and Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers (GRSE) at Kolkata.
“The CNC (contract negotiation committee) is currently underway for P-17A, which has already been approved by the defence ministry. The contract will be awarded after the final nod from the Cabinet Committee on Security. While MDL will build four, GRSE will construct the other three,” said a source.
This comes even as the third and the final stealth frigate INS Sahyadri built by MDL, under the long-delayed “Project-17” at a cost of Rs 8,101 crore, is now all set to be commissioned on July 21.
Defence minister A K Antony will be travelling to Mumbai to commission the frigate, commanded by Captain S Vatsayan, like he did for the first two INS Shivalik and INS Satpura in 2010 and 2011. The seven new frigates will be “longer, broader, faster and stealthier” than the three 6,100-tonne Shivalik-class frigates that have a range of 5,000 nautical miles at a cruising speed of 18 knots.
“The new frigates will also have the 290-km BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles, apart from other advanced weapons and sensors, for a greater offensive punch in all the three dimensions (air, surface and underwater),” said the source.
Both MDL and GRSE are undergoing modernisation, with new modular yards and 250-300 tonne goliath cranes, to enable “integrated modular construction” of the P-17A frigates in “compressed shipbuilding time-frames”. “The shipyards will also tie-up with a foreign know-how provider,” he said.
The Navy is increasingly turning “stealthy” since surprise and deception are crucial in modern-day warfare. The three Talwar-class stealth frigates (Talwar, Trishul and Tabar) inducted from Russia in 2003-2004 as well as the Shivalik-class warships have already boosted the Navy’s combat capabilities due to their “vastly-reduced” radar, infra-red, noise, frequency and magnetic “signatures” to beat enemy detection systems.
The force, of course, has also recently inducted another stealth frigate, the 3,970-tonne INS Teg, with two more (Tarkash and Trikhand) to follow in 2012-2013, under the $1.15 billion contract inked with Russia in 2006.

$10 billion for 7 P17A frigates ?? And it is supposed to dwarf P17 Shivalik class frigates which are already some of the largest frigates around !!
And on the Project 75I front, seems like Russians and Spaniards’ proposal are without AIP.
Unable to keep up with orders, a third production line for Brahmos is being opened in Nagpur.
http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels/nation/south/3rd-brahmos-centre-nagpur-162
He indicated that there was a big demand for the missile from other countries like Indonesia and Malaysia. “But we are not thinking of exports now. We want to meet our own demands,” he said.
^^ Ahem, you need orders for that sir.
You can add Azerbaijan, Sri Lanka, Philippines, Congo (they currently have extremely obsolete fighters) as well as Nigeria to the list of possible customers. Nigeria and Sri Lanka both operate Chinese fighters, and may well be interested in the JF-17 if it is affordable- and its likely to be cheaper than all the alternatives in the future. Once J-7 production stops, if a third tier air force wants a non second-hand fast jet component, they’ll have few options but to look at the JF-17.
Yak 130 shall serve adequately for their needs.
A question if i may. Does anyone has a rough idea of what stealth measures will be taken for the Super-30? I’m reading in some places something about “structural mods” , maybe they meen things like RAM, coated canopies, maybe even those infamous blockers? When is the Super-30 prototype suposed to fly ?
Thanks. 🙂
Not sure about the final configuration but Irkut is supposed to deliver 42 in super 30 config by 2018 (starting 2014 maybe ?)
From the reply given in parliament in Aug 2010,
http://pib.nic.in/newsite/erelease.aspx?relid=64953
Press Information Bureau
Government of India
Ministry of Defence
18-August-2010 16:20 IST
Modernisation of Fighter Planes SU-30
There is proposal to upgrade the SU-30 MKI aircraft of the Indian Air Force by M/s Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) with the support of the Russian Original Equipment Manufacturer.The current estimated cost is Rs. 10920 crores and the aircraft are likely to be upgraded in a phased manner from year 2012 onwards.
This information was given by Defence Minister Shri AK Antony in written reply to Shri Brijlal Khabri in Rajya Sabha today.
DM / RAJ
From another statement in July 2010
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2010-07-04/news/27572562_1_su-30-su-30-mig-21
“Su-30 MKIs have been inducted into the IAF in four phases. The ones to be upgraded are from the first phase and the project is likely to be completed in the next three to four years,” they added.
Of the 50 aircraft, around five would be sent to the Russian facilities while the remaining would undergo upgrading within India, they said.
Under the modernisation programme, the aircraft will be upgraded to the latest standards and equipped with modern avionics and various other capabilities.
So the upgrades of existing frames can be expected to start en-masse somewhere in 2014. But this is Indian MoD we are talking about, the bureaucracy is so “efficient” that they can’t even get people drunk in a brewery.
So keeping the schedule in mind, we might see the first of the supers next year.
The manufacturer of the R.550 developed the pylon if I understand correctly. The french might not have used it, but all Jaguars could.
The pylons were a standard fit on Jaguar international but iirc, the missile integration was carried out in Indian service.
Bomber Sized Irbis, dear lord.
Supersonic aew&c ?
The article makes a valid point. The countries that are looking for a very basic fighter are opting for trainers.
This website writes that Nellis AFB has denied the news :
http://theaviationist.com/2012/07/06/russian-red-flag/
None the less , it would be great if it occurred .
I would like to see a F-22 vs T-50 dogfight ….but I know it won’t happen 🙂
Funny, Flight Global says that USAF has confirmed the news.
UPDATE: The USAF confirms the Russians are going to be attending Red Flag 13-1 at Nellis AFB, Nevada, this October.
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2012/07/guess-whos-coming-to-red-flag.html#comments
Guess who’s coming to Red Flag? If you said the Russians, you’re right…
The Russian Federation Air Force will be coming to Nellis AFB, Nevada, to participate in the US Air Force’s Red Flag (13-1) exercise. How the world has changed… This would have been absolutely unthinkable even a few years ago. It’s actually kinda bizarre now… But at the same time, kinda awesome.
😮
Look Ma, no hands !!!

From SP’s aviation (link):-
As part of the multidisciplinary design optimisation (MDO) currently on for the AMCA—a wind tunnel model of which was first publicly displayed at AeroIndia 2009—that design-based stealth features will include further optimised airframe shaping, edge matching, body conforming antennae and a low IR signature through nozzle design, engine bay cooling and work on reduced exhaust temperature
With aerodynamic design optimisation near complete, the AMCA’s broad specifications are final. The aicraft will have a weight of 16-18 tonnes [16-18 tons with 2-tons of internal weapons and four-tonnes of internal fuel with a combat ceiling of 15-km, max speed of 1.8-Mach at 11-km. The AMCA will be powered by 2 x 90KN engines with vectored nozzles—likely to be the new GTRE-Snecma engine under development.
4 tons of internal fuel is way less than current 4.5 gen fighters, especially when it is expected to fly without drop tanks, but deep down inside I had a feeling that it would either come to this or having a fat bird like JSF.