I guess its delayed, its not on google atleast.

Shiv Aroor says today was the last meeting of the panel.

Not surprising. Only the J-11B/BH/BS/BSH and J-15 use non-Russian engines. The J-10 will be using AL-31FN or upgraded variants for some time.

Would that be J-10A or J-10B or both ?

[Its just a CG model of the FGFA from an Indian artist.
realistically i have my doubts pakfa or fgfa will use a one piece canopy. not that it’s not possible..

there is a tender to put one piece canopy.about nozzles and IRST wich are not stealthy,sth will be done for that but i dont know what?? hope the t-50-3 will discover something:)

I have my doubts if that will come up in 50-3. Stealthy nozzles, if they are supposed to be there, will not come before the next stage engines. Its too much work designing reduced IR signature nozzles for both 117s and 117.

Twinblade, why do you think that SFC fighters are going to be MKI? Any source? I think SFC requirement could very well be something to do with 48 twin seat FGFA, while some MKI and Mirage perform those SFC duties for now. Otherwise why 48 twin seaters, can’t be 48 trainers. Those will be optimized for A to G.

I think IAF doctrine currently is to have all squadrons as multirole and similar across a particular type eg. there will be 8 main types of combat aircraft about 10 years down the line, their wont be any subtypes. Only LCA will have MK1 and MK2 versions, mainly because almost all major components baring engine will be Indigenous. If news reports about all MKI’s to be modified as a Brahmos carrier is true, then it further supports the argument.

The requirement for SFC fighter/bombers came up during late 2007/early 2008 and additional 42 Mki’s were ordered in 2008 (40 + 2 replacements). Furthermore around 40 Mki’s being armed with Brahmos makes a strong case of those 40 being under the deputation of SFC.

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Saab Draken ripoff! :diablo:

Don’t you mean Viggen ?

Some nice pics from MAKS 2011, including PAK-FA:

http://www.hesja.pl/XPL/galeria/show/237

I think i am in love….

Further delay in the LCA..at this rate they better drop all plans for the mk2 version which will only appear in 2020 at best. So the AMCA can be expected in 2030?

http://www.india-defence.com/reports-5113

On the good side…looks like the IAF has given up it’s insistence on the 2 seater version of the Pak-Fa being the predominant type. Atleast that will go smoothly now instead of allowing the HAL to get her grubby hands on it.

Ohhh … very sad news for the LCA and I have to admit I already question the project as a whole one. (To be harsh, but the currently only reason for it was to act as a technical demonstrator and a learing program for the Indian Aviation industry) … anway more that sad for that nice type.

Anyway I that makes the MMRCA-program even more intresting.

And finally I agree with You in regard to the FGFA !

Deino

Uh.. I think he was talking about shifting FOC from Dec 2011 to Dec 2012 and not to 2013, which was kinda expected as no one heard about the BVR trials. Perhaps Teer would be able to fill in the details. Interesting bit on single and twin seater Pak-fa.

interesting. do you have some online resources corroborating that? i’d be keen to see that.

It was a part of deep penetration fighter competition much like MMRCA. Here is a write up on BR’s equipment history page on jaguar about that competition.

European Competitors & IAF’s Decision
India’s large requirement of aircraft caught the attention of competitors. Dassault-Breguet offered the Mirage F-1, a single engine fighter aircraft with some ground attack capabilities. Sweden’s Svenska Aeroplan Aktiebolaget came in with its SAAB 37 Viggen, also a single engine aircraft powered by a Swedish supersonic development of the Pratt & Whitney JT8D by-pass engine with a Swedish afterburner and thrust reversal.

As is common in India, many interested parties including agents, other promoters and even politicians got into the act of promoting the aircraft, which would give them the most personal benefit. However, IAF was clear in its stand of wanting only a two engine aircraft. Another complication was that after the 1965 Indo-Pak war, USA and Britain had placed embargoes on supply of military equipment to India. India always had a problem with USA’s penchant for imposing sanctions for all kinds of reasons. Since the Viggen’s engine was essentially of US origin, it would have been instantly disqualified but for political influence. The possibility of denial of equipment or spares from Britain was also a major hitch. Mr James Callaghan, the Prime Minister personally solved this problem. On his way back from Australia he gave an unequivocal commitment that Britain would never impose any sanctions on India in future.

After the imposition of a National Emergency, Mrs Gandhi had been ousted when elections took place. The Janata Dal Government decided to pursue the DPSA acquisition vigorously. Meanwhile, British Aerospace (BAe) was formed as a corporation in April 1977 by the merger of the BAC, Hawker Siddeley Aviation, Hawker Siddeley Dynamics and Scottish Aviation. In March 1978, an Indian team led by the Defence Secretary visited France, Sweden and England. After receiving its report, the Government decided to ignore the other two aircraft and to enter into a contract with BAe to acquire the Jaguar. A formal announcement of the selection of the Jaguar to meet DPSA requirements was made by the Government on October 6 1978. By then BAe’s Wg Cdr Alan Keys (RAF Retd) had visited India 24 times to promote the Jaguar.