For kicks and giggles I took a stab at putting together a projected IAF force structure up to 2030.
There are gobs of assumptions made, particularly:
– The current force levels
– The attrition rate
– HAL’s production capabilitiesGood news is that the IAF could have 48 combat aircraft sqdns. Bad news is that it will still operate a menagerie of 8 combat aircraft types even at 2030.
I do not think that M2k, jaguar and mig 29 are going to be operated beyond 2025, LCA and MMRCA may see higher numbers (upto 200 each by 2025), but great job anyways victor 🙂
Mig-29 with lancer upgrades ?
India set to decide big military aircraft deals
On Helicopters
In an interview for India Strategic’s Paris Air Show edition, the Air Chief said that IAF had already finalized its choice for the combat helicopter while that of the utility helicopter had also been through with the Indian Army, which is the lead buyer in this case. IAF will follow and buy the same helicopter.
As for the heavy lift helicopter, “the final report can be expected within the few days,” he said
Boeing’s Apache AH 64D and the Russian Mi 28NE are the two contenders in the race for combat helicopters while Boeing’s Chinook – the only helicopter which can float on water – and Russian Rosoboronexport’s Mi 26 are in the fray for the heavy lift role. The utility helicopter race for the Indian Army and IAF has the EADS Eurocopter and Russian Kamov in the race.
On MMRCA
the commercial bids of the two finalists in the race for 126-plus Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCAs) would be opened mid-June (possibly before the Paris Air Show beginning June 20),
The Air Chief did not give any figures, but a rough calculation shows that IAF could be announcing deals worth $ 30 billion, or more, by the end of 2011.
The Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) deal, for which only the Eurofighter and Rafale remain in the fray, could touch or exceed $ 15 billion if the option for additional 63 aircraft is exercised in addition to the 126 units given in the tender. The three helicopters and the trainer aircraft, along with support and training packages, could be another $ five billion.…However, it would still take a couple of months as it just won’t just be the price mentioned, but the package in terms of direct costs, support programmes, training, offsets and life cycle costs which would determine the winner. The race though is expected to be close.
On American fighters
The Air Chief observed that admittedly, the US had the best of the combat radars, weapons and systems. But then, each of the six contenders had given in writing that they would match the IAF requirements, including those for systems to be sourced from the US.
On AWACS
Air Chief Marshal disclosed that the last of the three Phalcon AWACS (Airborne Warning and Control Systems Aircraft) had arrived in India in March and deployed.
Two more AWACS mounted on IL 76 platforms had also been ordered.
The process to augment the electronic surveillance capability with aerostats – balloons with electronic surveillance radars – was continuing.
Now thats called an interview that clears the air 🙂
Here’s the results of a quick bit of photoshopping to see what the Typhoon might look like with some of the airframe modifications which have been proposed such as Apex Strakes, along with the sort of modifications which might be made in future to reduce the signature of the airframe without any major structural changes.
Oh, and sporting IAF colours as I haven’t noticed anybody photoshop a Typhoon in IAF colours yet. 😀
You might as well photoshop “तूफ़ान” (toophan; hindi for typhoon) onto the stabilizer 🙂
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It is mainly the reason why I say that the Typhoon is nothing but a souped-up M2000 .
I am pretty sure current satisfied M2K users would find the similarity very appealing. Hint-Hint
I imagine a surprising fight in between a Typhoon and a SU-35 and I know who I put my money on . If I was a UK bookmaker (they are the best) , I would give the Sukhoi a 4-1 odd and a 10-1 for the Typhoon .
I bet 50 quid on it 😉 Any taker ?Cheers .
and the odds on your beloved fighter ? 2-1 for Rafale and 1000-1 for Su-35 ? or any other similar number that just happens to flash in your mind ? Bookies in UK are lucky not to have you by their side.
don’t you mean unlucky? its airframe was likely cheaper to maintain.
and the nose was no bigger than f-16
Maker reaffirms its commitment to fighter jet delivery
(Canberra Times (Australia)) 08/06/2011
Mr Tucker said the latest indications were the “recurrent flyaway cost” of an individual jet would come in about $60.7million; similar to an F-18 Super Hornet or other advanced fourth generation fighter. Lockheed Martin declined to comment on leaked preliminary cost estimates for the 2013 delivery aircraft which indicated they could be $6.53million a plane more expensive than those being delivered in 2012.
Excellent news for Eurofighter now that the Register is reporting this any lingering interest or concern that it might have happened will evaporate.
This doesn’t even comes close to “Mig-21’s traumatizing F-15’s” post cope India 04 🙂
The R&D cost of ATF/F-22A was no less than 35 billion USDs, while the R&D cost of JSF/F-35 has already become more than 56 billion USDs today.
100 million USDs……Possibly the budget to decorate NGB office….:D
wrong, its for coffee machine, pencil sharpeners and ping pong tables for recreation room 😀
The PAK FA has sort of a similar blended wing body with the YF-23, it’s a good looking aircraft. Hopefully in future they can make the underside and rear less flankeresque and more smooth.
I doubt if the bottom is going to get any flatter, if they do it, it will take away one of the greatest advantage of the flanker design. Probably the final design may incorporate flat nozzles and we may see some sort of covering panels to blend the engines in a more “geometric” shape instead of looking like the rear end of a legacy flanker, although i consider it highly unlikely.
Edit : why is it that the whole flanker series has mostly unpainted engines ?
A suitable maskot for the project could be a big and mean Siberian Brown Bear, standing on its backlegs, roaring in frenzy och shooting Beef Vindaloo fueld firebolts through his fearsome gap against all its enemies…
(And who knows one day there might be Astras comming out of the jaws, not nuclear hot beefcurry)… 😀
Make that mutton vindaloo for Indian version, beef and pork tend to offend most people here :p, and a tiger will find more commonality 🙂
Everyone in this thread could be a better Aerospace/defense Jounrno than these idiots.
i think everyone at the event (minister and journos) had a little too much of fine goan cashew wine :p
While on the topic of the AESA and Indian: I believe Eurofighter GmbH would like India to help produce & upgrade the AESA in the future too.
Indians haven’t been able to field miniaturized GaAs T/R module array as of now and the GaN modules are basically at the lab testing stage, the only help they could provide at the midlife upgrade stage will most possibly be with hard cash 🙂
Gan economics aren`t where GaA economics are currently, or in the immediate future.
Offering a GaN antennae for MMRCA would be more expensive, when price is the sole determinant at this point.
I don`t doubt that Captor-E will get GaN modules (or something better) at some point, but I doubt it is what India is being offered.
I suppose this is what shall be counted in lifetime costs, paying for an RBE2 AESA today and again for an upgrade by 2020 or getting it firsthand itself.
How mouch have they cashed in yet?
And to our Indian members: Any news in Indian papers regarding what impression the Indian officers got after the first demonstration they got some weeks ago? Alas, nothing officiall yet I assume? 🙁
There are still no details as to what would be the Indian “50 percent” contribution in FGFA, IAF as usual doesn’t do much talking, and by HAL’s relative silence on this, we can assume they haven’t worked out serious stuff yet.