I strongly disagree with such way of thinking. If its old, so what? It does the job. An F-15C with its ancient radar can easily effectively track a Typhoon at BVR ranges, and share data between any other aircraft or radar. An F-15’s antiquated RWR can still detect a Typhoon’s radar, and show it on display.
My point is simple; in the next war, whoever decides to radiate has also decided to become dead, fast.
The Typhoon RWR would detect the -15 radar at far beyond VR, allowing for manouvre and then selection of optimal launch envelope – high & supersonic.
Whereas, the -15 RWR would have trouble picking out the radar on the F-22 (LPI does work as advertised vs. old analogue systems), allowing the F-22 to completely dictate the contact.
If it was F-22 vs. Typhoon, neither could emit radar without being detected, localised and engaged by the opposition, the RWR systems are too good. Information would have to come from onboard passive sensors or from offboard active sensors.
F-22 fought Rafale and Eurofighter in exercise as well, and still win, at least in BVR
That has never come out in anything but rumour.
Rumours to the opposite have come out too, but they are dubious as well.
re. the upgrades, no not really. USAF -16s and -15s are by and by large vintage stuff. Antiquated RWR, ancient radar and zero “sensor fusion”. Any wonder the F-35 would make them look like a clapped out old Lada versus a Rolls Royce in comparison of avionics.
[Or are you typing your messages onto this forum using a 13″ CRT hooked up to an old Intel x486 with a full… wait for it… 50 MHz clock rate?]
In defence of the F-35 – Why future air combat will be different
F-22 pilots found that no gen 4 pilots wanted to play if they kept being killed BVR. So F-22s kill the gen 4s twice in BVR (but keep quiet about it) before the merge to keep the gen 4 zipper-suited heros happy in their ignorance.
Blah blah blah. Nowhere in that article does it mention the F-22/4th gen.
Anyway, assuming you do drag up such a quote; please be sure to state it accurately, i.e. USAF F-22 pilots found that no USAF F-16C Blk30 (1987) or F-15C (<1985) wanted to play ball.
If that were Rafales or Typhoons, I might be impressed. As it is, its just more USAF bullsh!t to throw the gullible off the back of the F-35.
You realize such an aircraft would be anything but cheap, right?
Ha.
Compared to porky? It’d have cost half the price and would have been in service 10 years ago.
So whats this story I keep seeing about AIM-9X not working on the internal bays of F-35?
Is this:
– flat out won’t fit?
– won’t launch and LOAL?
– won’t cue from HMDS?
– something else?
Also, what are the options? What are the internal bays now going to be used for?
It’ll affect ACM (but yes not the flight characteristics of the aircraft). If the F-35 can get the first shot off, which it probably will when equipped with a fully-functional EODAS & HMDS, its opponent will be forced to undertake evasive action. Allowing the F-35 pilot to get inside the enemy’s OODA cycle.
To be honest, I would assume anything it would encounter would also have a HMCS* of sorts and IRST* and would probably be able to add more energy to its missile launch.
For IR based missile combat, I wouldn’t be expecting the F-35 to have any advantage in launch due to EODAS and HMDS.
*Any “4.5” gen doesn’t have these?
EODAS, HMDS and MADL.
Again, nothing that would affect BFM.
first, this was a test done in January; they will probably tweak the F-35 to improve things.
Yes, they are going to take 5 tonnes empty weight out of it and increase the wing area by 25%. [/sarcasm]
btw, Here is the Official Response from the JPO
Aircraft AF-2 did not have the mission systems software to use the sensors that allow the F-35 to see its enemy long before it knows the F-35 is in the area. Second, AF-2 does not have the special stealth coating that operational F-35s have that make them virtually invisible to radar. And third, it is not equipped with the weapons or software that allow the F-35 pilot to turn, aim a weapon with the helmet, and fire at an enemy without having to point the airplane at its target.
So basically, nothing that would affect BFM.
If anyone gets a missile off at an F-35, the prognosis would appear grim.
even the f-16 limited to 4.5 G at 25k ft, is it closer to f-4,f-5 now?
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/news/FactSheets/FS-025-DFRC_prt.htm
Drop 10K feet off that and remeasure please….
test pilot Flynn, 1:09 minutes
“(these camera’s) build a spherical image around me”
(Flynn also doesn’t say a word about the F-35s air performance btw)NG on DAS 0:46 minutes
“long range detection”, “the result is complete spherical sensor coverage around the aircraft”
You misunderstand me.
If the pilot cannot crank his head in a timely fashion to examine anywhere between his 5 and 7 o’clock, then he doesn’t have 360 deg LOS.
Has 4 internal, plans for 6 and can go up to 10 if the SACM missile is fully funded (DARPA program that birthed CUDA)
4 internal, two of which are supposed to be AMRAAM. [Unless you feel like surrendering dictation of merge.]
Yes, of course it will have 10 if some super duper new acronym happens.
Leftwing sites
?!?!
WTF. Usual ‘merican understanding of politics it seems.
Whats the most left wing you can get?
Communist.
D’you think the Soviets liked their ol military hardware?
If you wanna have a go at hippie-websites, go ahead. But there is more to the leftie side of politics than the guardian newspaper.
actually, in a dogfight, it probably is the greatest fighter, and will be for a few more years
because if equiped with plenty of short range missiles, it still has that 360 degree line of sight attack angle
It doesn’t have plenty of missiles or effective 360 deg LOS.
I have to admit, for the life of me I cannot see the 757 returning in any way shape or form. I’m somewhat surprised that a journalist with more than a passing interest in the field wrote that up! Unless they were desperate to fill a few column inches and liked the idea so decided to pass the time going over it in their head… :highly_amused:
Supposedly it was quite expensive to manufacture, and it would need essentially a complete re-design anyway to be competitive with what is out there now (in all but its long-thin route niche where there isn’t enough market to justify development spend).
Boeing need to use it as a bridge to the 737 replacement IMO. Common wingbox, common fuselage. Different wings and empennage. Then customers can mix and match capacities and range to suit themselves.
[Dunno about Twin Otter order.]