F-16/M2K/MIG-23 are not so great.
Rubbish.
They do what they need to do.
You aren’t paying for a top-line fighter in either upfront cost or subsequent maintenance, so don’t expect one.
Most of them just need a business degree or MBA, with absolutely no experience of what they are managing…
Thats the f**king problem.
Most of them just have a business degree or MBA and have no f**king idea what they are managing. The graduate scheme is a laugh as well, no matter how smart someone is, you cannot put them in charge of ata chapters without having 15+ years of experience – its simply a recipe for disaster.
Hence, crap decision upon crap decision is made and the program inevitably slides into deep sh!t.
I guarantee you, if Airbus cleared out everyone in procurement and in management that didn’t have 15+ years engineering experience (be it design, manufacture or maintenance), 80% of their problems would be gone within 3 years.
Haha you are kidding, you must be.
:rolleyes:
So when is the last time wings were strapped to a submarine and it was sent into the air?
Do you even know the origin of the problems of the Nimrod program? I would very much doubt it.
The “worthless UAVs” as you put it, are all demonstrators, intended only to build the knowledge base.
To that end, I am aware Brazil and India have built a number of UAVs, but none of them would seem to have much consideration for VLO characteristics. Hence the experience of engineers.
Additionally, who are the Brazilian and Indian aircraft engine manufacturers?
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I think as an organisation, BAe are useless, so are Airbus*. But the problems are stemming from bad managers, bloated procurement branches wielding unhealthy degrees of influence and the proliferation of project managers throughout – project managers who actually do more to hinder the engineers executing any project than help them. By and by large, the engineers are excellent.
*I expect COMAC to bury Airbus within 20 years if they don’t get their finger outta their ass. If anyone high up in EADS reads this (some chance) – you need to grow a set of balls and get a grip on your procurement/project managers – the engineers can fix your company, but only if you get rid of 80% of those other clowns! No-one with less than 15 years experience of engineering in multiple areas should be allowed to project manage or be in management. No-one with less than 10 years experience of engineering should be allowed to be in procurement.
I’m personally sick of having to deal with f**kwits that cannot even understand their own procedures, never mind what is required to design/build complex machines.
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According to channel 4 last night it was unmaned fighters, according to the bbc this morning it’s Surveillance aircraft.
I’d be shocked if it wasn’t intended to be capable of both to be honest. 🙂
Not sure what France would have to gain from cooperation with the UK when it has far more reliable and valuable partners in the offing in India, Brazil, etc.
Access to a pool of far more skilled/experienced engineers.
Simple really.
alternative one of course
The Russians are gonna call it the YF-23ski.
The far better alternative that was never built. :diablo::diablo: [/tinfoil hat brigade]
When it comes close to promised specification it is the most cost effective solution.
+1
I don’t think anyone can really argue about that. 🙂
Might make an interesting solution to masking the engines. While nothing of the sort has been achieved yet, if they really were thinking in terms of cloaking a complete aircraft in a free stream then it stands to reason that hiding a fan face inside a duct should be easier. Whether or not that technology makes it onto the T-50 in particular, it should in general be ready long before it is possible to hide an entire aircraft.
Yes, I have considered this before.
But I keep coming back to one thing – temperature of the inlet air to the engine.
If you can introduce the plasma to the stream without unduly heating it, then happy days.
But every degree added to the flow temperature upstream the compressor is a degree extra at your compressor exit and consequently turbine entry. That doesn’t help engine pressure ratios.
Again though a bit of RAM scabbed on the Tu-160 air intakes and such isn’t anything to write home about.
Are you thick or deliberately missing the point?
The Soviets/Russians have over 30 years experience of RAM coatings.
Do we have word on wether the whole aircraft will have RAM coating and IR reducing paint like the F-22 does.
No.
Nor will we until after introduction to service I would expect.
Even the F-22 is not completely covered in RAM.
But a 70’s era battleship and an 80’s era bomber with bits of RAM on it are, as I said before, hardly impressive.
Make up your mind where the goalposts are.
Earlier you were stating:
I’ve never seen any evidence of such advanced materials like that from Russia hence why I asked.
Now that evidence has been presented to you that the Russians have been working on RAM for at least 30 years, you are still not happy.
I would also ask, why is a 1980s aircraft with RAM on it unimpressive, or a 1970s nuclear cruiser?
Indeed, it is possible the Tu-160 was the first strategic bomber with RAM on it.
And applying RAM to a missile is a very different thing than applying it to a whole aircraft because on an aircraft the RAM has to last longer and generally be more user friendly.
Yeap. Those Tu-160s only had to last a couple of hours too…. while so did the Kirov.
:rolleyes:
If your gonna troll like a clown, at least try to make a decent fist of it!
I’m not really sure why you’re being so defensive, as if i have personally slighted you in some way.
I’m not in any way being defensive – I’m just not slow in challenging stupidity.
But anyway thats a nice list but not really anything anyone didn’t know before hand.
Hmmm. Really?
I’ve never seen any evidence of such advanced materials like that from Russia hence why I asked.
Various bits of RAM scabbed onto old aircraft isn’t really anything impressive though.
The Tu-160 had it from first build. The SS-N-26 had it from first build. The Kirov had it from first build.
Not afterthoughts.
Can we expect the whole jet to have RAM and IR reducing paint on it like the F-22 or will they go for the cheaper method as they’ve done on old jets.
Who knows. I certainly don’t.
I would expect anyone that does know is not going to volunteer the information on an internet forum!
Or will they use the more revolutionary and effective RAM matting style as is being used on the F-35?
See above. Given the way the Russians traditionally operate, I would expect a pragmatic use of RAM where it is most effective and also weighed against maintenance requirements.
What about the Plasma stealth we so often hear about?
What about it? At its current TRL, its supposedly limited to radar-dome shielding. Furthermore with frequency agile AESA, it may be impractical to implement that.
I’ve never seen any evidence of such advanced materials like that from Russia hence why I asked.
So therefore they cannot exist.
After all, the USA widely published their work on RAM paints prior to building the F-117. :diablo:
To give a more serious answer to your question, they have been developing such paints/materials for quite some time.
It bought absolutely nothing new to the field of aircombat.
The Gripen has significantly improved sensors over aircraft such as the Hornet A-D or F-16 Blk 30/32.
Also, if you compared the cost of running a squadron of Gripen in comparison to any previous combat aircraft, you’d soon realise what it brought to air combat.
Wrong.
There is not one thing stated in that post that is wrong!
Many of the particular delays to Rafale/TyphoonSu-35/F-22 can be traced to budgetary changes associated with the end of the Cold War.
The F-35 has not had the same changes in political and budgetary landscape to deal with.
The Super-Hornet was delivered on time and on budget.
You may feel that the Super-Hornet was only on time and budget due to its lack of software changes – however that in no way makes the post “wrong”.
It is a bit behind the typhoon in engagement certainly due to the shorter range of the mica vs the amram.
Hmmm… and they did not include the effects of having Meteors? :confused: