If you can afford 100 F-4s vs 30 Gripens which is a more credible force in real world terms?

IMO that is an unlikely comparison you have there.

Yes, you’d perhaps be able to buy 100 F-4s vs 30 Gripens… but maintain them? I don’t see the numbers working quite out like that.

A better comparison may have been between 30 Gripens and 100 M2000s.

Honestly, have you read ANYTHING about the F-22?

I clearly mentioned in my first post I was not arguing either way on supersonic launches. Obviously I did not state it clearly enough.

As you state, they did numerous supersonic launches during EMD. There has been numerous public comments made by engineers and pilots on how an F-22 supercruising at 50,000ft inceases the range of an AMRAAM through improved initial kinetic energy.

I was questioning the use of a youtube video with absolutely no evidence within it as “proof”. IMO, the video proved the square root of f___ all.

Thats all.

And when you consider the SE would most likely be late, over budget, etc. . .

I think the real alternative to the F-35 on the arms market is the Gripen NG.

It’ll do 90% (maybe more) of the work at what… 50% (?) of the cost (perhaps much less when overall operating costs are factored in).

I know you can talk about quality and force multipliers. But bottom line, (hypothetically) if you can only afford 15 F-35s versus 30 Gripen, which is the more credible force in real world terms?

But of course, thats just an opinion. 🙂

oops!:rolleyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-EHOXqTo-E

Just out of interest… (not arguing either way here)…

… but what was that supposed to prove?

You think a random youtube video of a mission launch proves something?

I don’t think that the US would allow SAAB to steal the market for the F35B, which would be almost the only alternative to a Sea Gripen.

Good luck to Saab if it tries to move on with the project; but if they do I suspect they’d need to find alternative suppliers to the US content provided in the Gripen/Gripen NG.

Nic

No way could this happen.

It would instantly mean virtually every country would look to products free of American export interference for their products. There is no way any serious country would even contemplate having interference on such a level with products such as these.

Saab would never buy another American engine. Honeywell would never sell another avionics set for an MRTT, Raytheon wouldn’t sell any more AMRAAMs…. oh and you could absolutely forget about selling JSFs to anyone without at the very least offering the means for them to be maintained, operated and upgraded completely independently of American support.

How does f22 accomodate such a big s-duct that these guys are holding without affecting internal fuel storage and weapons bay ? Are you sure this s-duct is straight one diameter ahead? Doesn’t seem so straight right before the fan intake.

Careful expansion of the duct and reduced curvature in the upstream area will do a lot to remove most of the non-uniformity of the velocity & pressure fields.

But dj is right, fan designers throw a fit when asked to make things work in highly asymmetric conditions.

Not that a fan won’t work – for example, a commercial airliner still climbs out after rotation despite the fan operating in quite an asymmetric flow… but I can assure you your way off optimum, and putting forces through the blades that can have the stressers come after you with purple faces too!

He’s making all the Kopp arguments to try to portray things which he has no clue about.

and what do you do again…? :rolleyes:

Specialy when its about the greatest airplane ever made in the whole history of the world…….the A400:diablo:.

Erm…

400M is a POS.

If it were up to me, the Antonov would have been used.