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  • in reply to: The PAK-FA saga Episode 12.0 #2426322
    Amiga500
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    Good drawing, but the propulsion engineers get very concerned about airflow distortion at the fan face. To keep them from turning shades of purple and calling you bad names, you typically want a straight length of duct immediately in front of the fan that equals one fan diameter.

    Correct.

    (Assuming no IGVs are present)

    in reply to: F-35 News and Discussion #2426458
    Amiga500
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    Keep reading APA though.:rolleyes:

    Who are APA?

    (I think this is the 2nd time you’ve mentioned…. them? it?)

    I assume its not asia pacific aerospace…?

    in reply to: F-35 News and Discussion #2426482
    Amiga500
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    The leading edge spar may be larger than the radar array in the nose, but……the entire leading edge spar isn’t the size of the array contained within. We’re talking about 2 arrays with 12 modules, with a ~4.8kw total power output for both arrays.

    That is the Su-35 version of it. The average power of the Zhuk AE for the MiG-35 is apparently estimated at around 3 kW.

    Besides, you are using what is supposed to be the low power settings of the array (2x12x200 = 4800). There are L-band T/R modules at powers of 0.7kW in the public domain, so assuming equal performance (prob conservative IMO), then that is 2x12x700 = 16800 or 16.8kW.

    But anyway, it is an apples to oranges comparison, output power is not a direct measurement of return signal when the wavelength is changed. Less power may well be enough to get the job done significantly better – even accounting for the to-be-expected reduction in antenna gain.

    The system has a very narrow elevation search coverage(+5 deg/-15 deg), so the target would optimally need to be in a co-altititude setting.

    If you are at 50,000ft (15km), at a look down angle of 15deg, you hit ground at just under 60km.

    That in itself should be enough to give you an idea of what they are thinking will be the typical usage patterns of this radar.

    Additionally, against VLO targets, the tactically useful range is pretty limited(much lower than IRST range- i.e. 5-10nm vs. Raptor and 10-15nm vs F-35).

    I’ll not argue against IRST, IMO it will be the primary sensor of the next real-war. Simply because it does not shine like a beacon on RWRs.

    However, Suhkoi did not go to the trouble of adding the thing to the Su-35BM, and supposedly the PAK-FA for the fun of it.

    It is there for a purpose, and the purpose is much more than IFF.

    in reply to: F-35 News and Discussion #2426489
    Amiga500
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    Which other air force is going to compete at the systems level though first of all.

    So the JSF is only an effective weapon if it is facing inferior enemies?

    Nice to know you accept its crap too then. 😉

    in reply to: The PAK-FA saga Episode 12.0 #2426491
    Amiga500
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    As a hardware maybe, but the A2G software for the strike-variant is in need of some extra years to reach the related capabilities.

    See the extra years in need for the Su-34/32FN about that.

    Hmmm….

    Thinking about the Russian’s common sense approach to things that often leave us westerners floundering in our own greed/stupidity…

    Modular software?

    If the people doing the code know their ****, it does not take years and years to generate A2G software. Even better if those people can work on modules and integrate them into several different systems, like a Su-35BM or a PAK-FA, or a Su-34.

    The method* used by Lockeed/Boeing/BAe/Dassault is not necessarily the only method – we should be careful to assume it is. 🙂

    *a method extremely proficient at generating money for shareholders.

    in reply to: F-35 News and Discussion #2426597
    Amiga500
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    I don’t have the exact phyiscal dimensions, but with an antenna in the leading edge of a wing, it’s going to be much smaller than the main antenna. Additionally, it’s not going to have nearly the power output of the main array, and L band doesn’t have the resolution to track/guide weapons.

    About the only thing right there is the last sentence.

    The wing leading edge spar has a much larger total area than a plate within the radardome.

    The T/R modules are individually much bigger, and will handle correspondingly larger amounts of power.

    20cm wavelength may be good enough to guide a weapon far enough for its own seeker to take over. That is more a question of computing power, which is obviously a constantly changing variable, so I would hesitate to say “doesn’t”, even though, right now, you *may* be right.

    in reply to: F-35 News and Discussion #2426602
    Amiga500
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    The types of radars which you’re speaking of are generally fixed sites, or are not highly mobile, which means they’d be very high priority targets for either kinetic strikes or stand off jamming. The fight is at the systems level, not the individual platforms.

    Of course.

    Just the same as the other guy targetting the F-35’s support platforms and leaving it having to fend for itself.

    But that somehow is never considered on here.

    The F-22 is good enough to fend for itself in such a situation. In comparison the F-35 is a little child that needs its hand held by off-board sensors.

    Remove those sensors, and remove most the threat of the F-35.

    in reply to: The PAK-FA saga Episode 12.0 #2426607
    Amiga500
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    http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/4583/intakes5.jpg

    You are not able to account for any depth in that photograph.

    It is a 3D duct with boundaries moving in both lateral and vertical axis as it moves progressively through the longitudinal axis, it is not a simple 2D issue as you and Kapedani keep insisting.

    Also, just to make this argument wholly irrelevant… the potential existance of inlet guide vanes have not yet been considered.

    The fan/compressor face will be shielded from any direct paths, you can have little doubt of that.

    in reply to: KC-X round 3 FINAL RFP #2426847
    Amiga500
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    Price for a C-17 in 2010 is $202.3 million.

    Really?

    That why congress paid $2.5 billion for 10 of them?

    I’m sure they’ll be most interested to hear they could have cut half a billion off that…

    in reply to: The PAK-FA saga Episode 12.0 #2426938
    Amiga500
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    I think the point that seems to be overlooked is not whether or not a radar signal can get in through the duct to see the compressor, but what happens to the reflection. Toeing the engines in (even by a few degrees) means the reflection doesn’t go directly back out, it goes into the duct itself. Essentially – it doesn’t matter if the signal gets in to hit the compressor if the reflection can’t get back out. It is a very simple, elegant (Russian) solution that requires fewer engineering compromises on engine/aircraft performance.

    Theoretically, yes, I see what you are saying.

    However, that would require immensely tight control over surface angles… particularly the blade leading edge thickness. I’m not even sure if the desired shaping would be mutually inclusive with aerodynamic considerations… in fact, I doubt anyone could say off the top of their head without some major studies.

    Not saying it isn’t possible, but it would be difficult on a scale I’d find hard to even begin to put across.

    in reply to: The PAK-FA saga Episode 12.0 #2426955
    Amiga500
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    Well considering they’ve modified Mig 21s with RAM, getting them down to .25m^2, and a clean F-18E is ~.1m^2, I wouldn’t say .3m^2 is a big accomplishment.:cool:

    I would say it is not the same reference number. 😉

    in reply to: The PAK-FA saga Episode 12.0 #2426980
    Amiga500
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    What it does is something along these lines…
    http://i49.tinypic.com/25kslly.jpg

    As I said earlier:

    The engines are clearly canted inward. That means the red line you’ve drawn is NOT the centreline of the engines.

    Until you and Kapedani realise that, this discussion is pissing into the wind.

    in reply to: Gripen NG beats SU-35 in a2a #2426989
    Amiga500
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    Actually those numbers are on the VERY conservative side. The F-22 can supercruise for over 30 minutes, giving it a supercruise range more along the lines of 500-600+nm, not to mention the subsonic legs.

    Understand the difference between radius and range?

    If you fly away from your base… your going to have to fly back again, unless you fancy landing your $200 million dollar aeroplane on a desert somewhere…

    At a fuel fraction of only 0.24… I’d be quite surprised if the F-22 could supercruise for 30 mins.

    Here, you believe LM press releases are gospel:

    http://www.f22-raptor.com/technology/data.html

    in reply to: Gripen NG beats SU-35 in a2a #2426991
    Amiga500
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    If a fighter size radar with considerably more power, antenna size, etc… has problems spotting a stealthy target, until very near the target, what do you suppose the maximum detection range is for a missile with an antenna of 7″ or less in diameter. It’ll likely be at terminal range by the time it can detect a VLO target. The VLO target will know about the inbound missile well before it’s detected, giving it greater opportunities to evade/employ countermeasures, than a more conventional aircraft.

    The detection range is enough.

    Why do you assume that any missile in the air is going to be a radar guided one?

    So the USAF is lying for LM too then eh?

    You of the opinion the USAF has never covered up their own failings before?

    in reply to: The PAK-FA saga Episode 12.0 #2426993
    Amiga500
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    The positioning of the circles in those photographs is way off…first of all.

    From someone that has trouble seeing the engines are canted in, I’ll happily dismiss that.

    Second, the intake doesn’t drop down and up to shield the engine face. It does so to go underneath the wing components and the landing gear bay.

    The bay is to the side. The photo, on the ground, clearly shows the upper surface of the intake duct, despite the nose of the aircraft being pointed down relative to the camera position.

    Third, regardless of all you have said, the engine face will be clearly visible at many frontal angles, primarily angles slightly below the centerline and slightly to the side.

    (Even the drawing you presented with the circles in a wrong place, shows that if the aircraft was viewed directly from the front…you would still get a view of part of the engine face. There’s no escaping that)

    No it won’t.

    Either the fuselage is in the road, or the sweep inward of the duct to avoid the wheel well will prevent a direct line of sight to the compressor face.

    Have you any sense of spatial awareness whatsoever?

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