I think that the Norwegian bean counters said that operating Gripen would cost more than operating JSF.

The Norwegian bean counters found what they were told to find.

The assumptions used within the analysis were, to my knowledge (and to say politely), questionable.

.. and by that we get the typical mistake. Max range capability is limited to “boresight” mode in ideal atmospheric conditions f.e.

Your logic being?

Clouds?

They’ve adopted established design solutions from 2 different aircraft in order to avoid the time, effort & expense of a ‘clean sheet’ design (such as the AMCA, KF-X or ATD-X).

They probably haven’t even.

There was probably a full range of options considered and evaluated on model scales in wind tunnels and anechoic chambers. But, they no doubt found out that:
(1) The laws of physics in China happened to be identical to those in the USA.
(2) The American engineers are pretty good because they also found the best solution to the problem within those pesky laws of physics.

The newest plane out of China looks good.

D’you think so? It certainly doesn’t look bad from the runway shots, but personally, I’d not stick it into the good category just yet.

Are there any photos around showing the planform a bit more? (or are they all just cgi?)

but in large part this is an F-35 with twin engines, a larger wing,

:rolleyes:

Do you have any idea of the design loops and completely different optimisations that will exist for just those two changes? Of course you don’t, otherwise you wouldn’t have posted such rubbish.

Even if this new bird is produced for PLAN or PLAAF, it won’t be a key player for 20 years. It hasn’t yet flown and is basically at the X-35 stage. It’s a hand built airframe nowhere near production.

My my…

Those straws are appearing mighty flimsy at this stage.

but still the EADS shares lose massively: eads.com/eads/int/en/investor-relations/share-information/share-price.html
Seems not to be a really good deal. BAE shares also down by nearly 7% today.

Ignore the markets.

Its occupied by f**kwits that can’t see beyond 6 months.

Well….

It could make negotiation on any Eurofighter2 a bit simpler.

Oi, EADS, build us a new fighter – your getting €X from the UK, €Y from the Germans, €Z from the Spanish (etc).

We want it to do this ___ and we want the workshare roughly X/(X+Y+Z) to the UK, Y/(X+Y+Z) to Germany and Z/(X+Y+Z) to Spain.

Now away you go and do it and don’t come back to us until its done.

It removes a lot of politicians from the management process – which would make things proceed an awful lot smoother.