There is also the nuclear question. Politics aside, the U.S. deals with those nations differently. I believe Tehran does have a nuclear weapon. Even in the absence of such information confirming or denying that fact, one would have to proceed accordingly.

Not to derail the thread but is not an issue of faith but a political one.

And any one know about the tail chase range of missile like the sm-2 or essm

Neither ESSM nor SM-2 are chasers.

Owlcat, i don’t think this is going anywhere. You are being disparaging and I am now struggling to understand you.

You may not be aware, but you are not coming across in a terribly friendly way, and frankly in a discussion about the LRS-B friendly is the only way to proceed!;)

I’m confused because I don’t know in what way my comments are offensive or unfriendly but if you’re feeling that way I’m terribly sorry because that’s not my intention.

You said something along the lines of – “If it wasn’t operational it didn’t exist.”

I don’t think a discussion of possible “Black” projects from around the world was what I was aiming at here, but I think its perfectly relevant to suggest the most advanced technology will be drawn upon by the LRS-B programme.

Consequently it will use technology drawn from projects not in the public domain.

If that is not too much of an assumption to make?

Alternatively it will use information pulled from the Collins Big Book of Fighter Jets, because that is the only reliable source of information for things that fly.

I said something along the lines of “money pits don’t equal UFO technology”.

It’s not like aircraft designers have had prejudice in the past while using students’ works, foreign scientific papers, stolen materials or a plethora of previously published books so illustrations aren’t going to settle a new low when it comes to getting the job done.

Owlcat, you are appear to be suggesting that the only aircraft or systems you believe are real are the ones you read about in magazines….

Really? If you can’t see it then it can’t exist:confused:

I am merely suggesting that the deterrent effect of a weapon system it is hard to find and defeat is and has been augmented by others the opposition don’t know about.

There’s no deterrence without knowledge, you can’t threaten an enemy on the assumption that it fears the unknown unless you’re planning to use religion as a weapon but it hardly works without the use of force.

More often than not research projects end up without seeing the light of the day but expecting the stellar appearance of mythical weapons to save the day is wishful thinking, what doesn’t mean that some unknown ill-fated or unfinished projecs can’t be rescued under some circumstances with the aim of fielding them if needed.

Nobody is being forced to take the JSF (except maybe the USN 😉 ). Any Partner can pull out of the program if they want to (there are penalties, but they knew that going in).

As you’ve said everyone willing to participate knows the risks of changing it’s mind in a later stage, that’s why I was thinking in non-Partner countries where political games can be a decisive factor like it was with century series in the past or with teen series even today.

SR-71 possessed RAM to reduce RF signature in frequencies used by fire control radars. The RAM stack was sophisticated, with eleven different material layers — all developed using empirical test, analyze and fix methods. Reduced RCS combined with on-board jammers and simple maneuvers foiled 1000+ intercept attempts. SR-71 suffered no losses from hostile acts. The RAM stack technology from SR-71 was a key to F-117 contract award in 1978.

Yes, UHF/VHF early warning radars could see SR-71, but EW radars do not have the resolution to guide weapons.

Obviously the other manmade materials used in aircrafts are not sophistically developed and empirically tested, neither analyzed or fixed according to a methodology :rolleyes:.

Out of curiosity, apart from some third world country SAM operators looking for a lucky shot to boost his career, who uses early warning radars for target adquisition?

SR-71 had its own merits but one of them wasn’t it’s “invisibility”.