Way back when, in the early 80s when I ventured out looking for Spitfire XII info, I was told by a former Lanc pilot turned aviation writer that there were two kinds of folks I’d run into. Those willing to share the wealth, and those who wanted to claim it for their own and keep it hidden.
He was of the share the wealth crowd and gave me my first ‘original’ photo of a Spit XII as well as pointing me in lots of directions and putting up with a first timer asking dumb questions.
Seems to me that’s the only way to go as we’re trying to pass on the history not hide it. Thankfully my experience has been one of dealing with all kinds of folks willing to share the history. I know I’ve done my best to pass that on.
In terms of what photos belong to who, I’m afraid the genie is out of the bottle. All you have to do is look at any number of books, e-bay, the web or wherever and you’ll see well known photos credited to any number of different people as their own.
I don’t have an answer for that bit, but I figure it’s better that people are seeing them, then having them hidden in someones file cabinet.
I think you are absolutely right. I want to tell, to share, to set young minds ablaze with this stuff. What good would I be if I kept 70 year old photographs locked up in a closet somewhere?
It’s like; when you don’t think this year can possibly get worse….
You need not be the actrual photgrapher to own the rights.
Someone could buy the negs (or rights) from the photgrapher.Perhaps that’s what happened in this case.
I can with 100% certainty say that this is not the case. My guy didn’t buy the negs, as I know for a fact the source would not let him. I know why this guy would put these fake copyrights on them, but it’s a bit to revealing to some so I’m not gonna go down that road. Maybe he actually did buy the rights from the veterans, but wouldn’t that be just…rude? It’s just a big sigh, and especially since I’m involved with educational research, pedagogy and the mission of telling these stories to generations to come. How can we really when people do these sort of things..
Let’s salute not just the fallen but a truly magnanimous widow to pay such a wonderful tribute to her husband at a moment of such intense grief for her.
http://www.raf.mod.uk/reds/teamnews/…D74C70AC0607A6
Dr Emma Egging, the wife of Flt Lt Jon Egging said:
“Jon was everything to those that knew him, and he was the best friend and husband I could ever have wished for. I know that he would have wanted me to say something from the heart at this time. There was nothing bad about Jon. He loved his job and was an exemplary pilot. Watching him today, I was the proudest I’ve ever been. I loved everything about him, and he will be missed.”
Truly gracious words.
What’s that in my eye. Must be dirt or something.
A horrible year which keeps getting worse.
RIP Red 4
So, mystery solved. So, he did his routine for a month, maybe more and then his luck ran out. Sad stuff.
If it was No.59 OTU then it would be W/C D P A Boitel-Gill DFC O/C Flying Wing who was killed on 18/09/41.
Regards
Ross
The date fits 100%

The story sounds consistent with what I know from family stories – the chap involved was my grandfather.
Can I ask where it the record was obtained which you read to start the thread? Obviously, I would be interested in seeing it.
Thanks
Svein Heglund, Norwegian top scorer. Translation as follows;
59 OTU
The station commander was a former BoB pilot, and as the commanding officer, he had the freedom to do a bit as he pleased. He started each morning with an aerobatic show, usually in low altitude. As sergeants, we never met him. From what I could understand (from his flying) he had some personal problems he wanted to get rid of. His show could also have been his way of dealing with last years intense fighting. We always waited with excitement for him to start his show, and we usually heard him coming in with a gigantic roar, followed by shaking walls and roofs. I think he might have felt it was his duty to always do a “better show” than the last one. But, one day he could not continue on improving his show. He had met his limit. It all ended in disaster.
There’s also one in Norway, I believe!


After all those weeks, it’s still amazing that the pilots survived this accident. Strange photo indeed.
I’m more amazed than ever before Rob made it down safely, reading his tale.
The Blenheim came in from the M11 side?
Sorry for the old thread but..
http://www.strijdbewijs.nl/birds/spitfire/museum.htm
Says here it’s under restoration.
Congratulations!
Just looks to me from the angle shot that the thing falls straight down the last seconds there.
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Just checked with the Boss. As a precautionary measure lanc engine was shut down after an oil leak. Sorry for delay but needed to get facts!