Just saw the challange 😀
Good old Jane’s gives the following specs:
Take Off Run
An-72 @31.2t take off weight: 930m,
An-72 @27.5t take off weight: 620m,
Take Off to 10.7m altitude
An-72 @31.2t take off weight: 1,170m,
An-72 @27.5t take off weight: 830m,
Landing Run
An-72 @31.2t take off weight: 465m,
An-72 @27.5t take off weight: 420m,
Max Length of Runway Required
An-74, An-74 Salon: 1,200 – 1,800m
An-74-200, An-74T-200: 1,400 – 2,150m
Hope this helps
Turkey might be interested, for use against Kurd guerrilas in western Kurdistan :p .
I recall they have lost quite a few helicopters and regular fighters do not seem to have enoufh endurance and accuracy for this sort of warfare. Still, they are heavily investing in their new “local” attack helicopter, so it will probably not allow for extra funds for virtually the same purpose.Other than that, Iraq or Afghanistan might be interested for the same purpose, but it’s highly doubtfull, especially for Iraq.
I can think of no other country who might show interest for these 40 year old cold war relics. Everyone else can do with attack helicopters.
Turkey was offered 40 A-10A’s in 1993 and procurement procedures were initiated. They were to be deployed at 8th Main Jet Base in Diyarbakir (some sources say a squadron in Diyarbakir and a squadron in Balikesir or Bandirma).
But then came the catastrophic 1994 economic crisis, which made it impossible to allocate enough funds for infrastructure and operational costs.
By the way, regular conscripts are not being deployed to frontline operations for a long time.
Turkey has lost 2 x AH-1W, one AS-532, one or two S-70A’s to PKK ground fire since the armed conflict began in 1984. One of the AH-1W’s and the AS-532 to SA-7 in mid 1990’s, the other AH-1W to RPG fire during Operation Sun in Northern Iraq in 2008 .
Well . . . Italian firms have a share in the EJ200 engine, a larger share (much of it through a UK subsidiary) in the CAPTOR radar, plus other fighter radars, including AESA, built by both the Italian & UK branches of that firm, & numerous other skills which would be valuable for a new fighter. They also have aerospace marketing & support networks worldwide. It’s probably the best offer of co-operation Turkey has had so far.
We could imagine a mix of Eurofighter, OTS (Italian, Turkish & imported), & newly-developed Turco-Italian systems in a jointly-developed new airframe.
Italians have been pushing extremely hard for Typhoon in Turkey for at least 6 years. They even hosted a couple of Turkish fighter pilots in Italy for a test flight with a Tranche 1 Typhoon of the AMI, apparently with not so much satisfactory results. During the last IDEF exhibition in May 2011, the Eurofighter official told me that they were offering the “EF-2020” version for air-to-air optimized missions (but images showing a multirole configuration with CFT’s and Storm Shadows) however, they are also interested in providing subsystems technology of the Typhoon to Turkey. There was a mock up of the radar and the engine at the pavillion.
What I would like to know is if Turkey and ROK worked together to build an attack helo based on the T-129, could Korea get the rights to build and export them? And if so, what role would Agusta have in all of this?
Currently, TAI owns all the marketing rights of the T129. So, if a new attack helicopter based on T129 is designed (say, K129) than I pretty much think that it is possible for them to get a license for exporting. That would make this helicopter the “grandson” of A129 in some strange way 😛
but if Korea doesn’t have the know how, then how did they complete the K2? i can’t find any information on foreign involvement, maybe its their first pure tank
The problem is: They could still not!
@EagleSpirit,
I was about write a reply but apparently Hotdog was quicker:
well what he means is K1 is nothing more than an Abrams Jr. it relied heavily on GD’s input and advice.. just like how the T-50 is a Baby Viper.. Lockheed had a heavy role in it.
K2 on the other hand, not sure.
It turned out during Altay project that South Koreans simply do not have very cutting edge technology or know how in modern MBT design & development. We even had to do extensive R&D in some areas that S. Koreans promised tech + know how transfer!
what happened?
I don’t want to hurt any Korean friends’ feelings here but it turned out that they have light years to achieve for
– How to design and develop a main battle tank by themselves (I mean K1 and XK2)
– Project management
– Documentation
– Keeping contracted promises
I do not see the Koreans willing to adopt the T-129. Korea is willing to sell weapons to Turkey and teach them technologies to build their own things.. but it does not work the other way around. Its partially cultural as they see anything that’s not American or Western European, as inferior.
Based on the experiences fron Altay main battle tank and KT-1T trainer aircraft projects, I don’t see much future for that trend…
Oh, and a totally OT question: What is so Turkish about the T-129 really? Can Turkey export it without premission from Agusta?
Turkey’s TAI owns the marketing rights of T-129 for all countries (AFAIK except Italy and UK). So, yes, T-129 can be exported without permission from AgustaWestland. Foreign content within T-129, such as engines would require export license for the end-user country but that’s another thing.
China at one stage wanted to buy a very small amount of Rooivalks. Denel was suspicious that a reverse engineering project would be the end result.
The Rooivalk was a very good, tough helicopter that has been hamstrung by industrial and political moves. It was rated highly by the RAF, but the US refused to integrate Hellfire onto the platform. This resulted in a tit-for-tat exclusion of US weapons in SA’s arms purchase a while later.
Eurocopter put out pressure in the Australian and Turkish programmes about not supporting the engines on the Rooivalk, which are French.
A helicopter that scored highly, and should have done better, but for the political angle.
Rooivalk scored better than the A129 after technical evaluations and test flights in Turkish competition (ATAK II – ATAK I was the cancelled project which Bell AH-1Z King Cobra was the winner). However, there were there main reasons for Turkey’s selection of Mangusta:
1. Denel’s stability was questionable: The financial status of the company and ability to provide technical and logistics support for a very long time was not promising.
2. Extreme increase in price just before the final selection. Even Turkish officials openly admitted this as a phenomena.
3. French intervention. They told they ould not support the engine. This was the last nail to the coffin.
Rooivalk was indeed a good selection for the Turkish army and would also act as a stepping stone for further defence industry partnership programs.
Israel blocks sale of F-16 reconnaissance equipment for Turkey
The diplomatic crisis with Ankara intensified on Thursday when the Defense Ministry decided not to renew an export license for Elbit Systems and Israel Aerospace Industries to sell advanced intelligence systems to the Turkish Air Force.
The cancelleed project is not related with F-16. It was for RF-4ETM’s.
Seeing that drawing of the Navalised YF-23 brought tears of sorrow to my eyes on the fate of that beautiful aircraft. Darn Raptor!
Three RC-12N Guardrail’s spotted at Istanbul Ataturk Intl’ Airport:
According the Defencenet.gr, Eurofighter is closing down the Athens office, thus marking an end (for now) to a long running saga of HAF vs. EF-2000: http://www.defencenet.gr/defence/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30076&Itemid=49