Turkey: Wanted Tornados in late 1980’s. Thatcher did not want. Got F-16s instead
Wanted F-15Es in late 1990’s. Got F-16s instead.
Wanted F-4G Wild Weasels in early 1990s. Did not happen.
(US wanted to sell) A-10’s in mid-1990s. Did not happen.
(US wanted to sell) SH-2 SeaSprites in mid-1990s. Did not happen.
Wanted to license-produce Jaguars in mid-1970s. Libya would finance the project. Did not happen.
Turkey’s licence-built indigenously modified Italian attack helicopter.
😀 that’s much correct!
first 9 helicopters with ioc are to enter service next year in june. Remaining 51 helicopters will start entering service in mid 2013
US Ambassador to Turkey has just announced that the US is going to transfer three AH-1W Super Cobra’s to meet Turkey’s urgent operational requirements. The helicopters in question are currently deployed in Afghanistan.
Turkish army currently has around 8 (out of 10 original) AH-1W Super Cobras and more than 25 AH-1P/S Cobras, heavily involved in operations against terrorist PKK.
Trailer of the Turkish movie, “Anatolian Eagles”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeDu2gaAzXs&feature=player_embedded
They had to “do something” after their neighbor commissions a modern indigenous warship and floats a second one…
MiG-29 “White 14” was also present at Airshow Turkiye at Izmir, on 4-5 June this year.
Airframe was in really pretty bad shape, likely having a couple of flight hours left before disintegrating.
Any developments on the new fighter programme? The last time I heard, Swedes re-iterated their offer on Gripen while the US offering second hand F-16s.
TFX project was formally started with the signature of the concept development phase on August 23.
Undertaken by TAI as main contractor, the initial phase of the project will last two years with a budget of 20 million USD. This period will see works focused on CONOPS, local industry planning, international partnership opportunities and basic design definition.
TFX is an umbrella project for development of an advanced trainer and combat aircraft to replace F-5 2000 & T-38 trainers and F-4E 2020 and earlier Block’s of F-16 after 2020.
Any confirmation on the types involved? Was it just F-16’s or were F-4 2020’s involved as well? How many CASA 235’s? Just the one?
Both F-16s and F-4E 2020s were used in the attacks. F-16s are equipped with LANTIRN while F-4E 2020s use earlier generation Pave Spike targeting pods. ASELSAN is testing locally developed ASELPOD targeting and navigation pod for F-16s and F-4Es but I’m not sure if it’s used or not in those missions.
TurAF has 2 x CN-235EW’s but it is not confirmed if all two were used or just one.
Gozcu 1 (Heron) UAVs were also used for ISTAR missions.
Outside of the Paveway’s mentioned earlier, do you know of any other munitions used or have those details even been released?
There are some reports that locally developed NEB (Nufuz Edici Bomba; Penetrator Bomb) was used in the attacks against caves. NEB was developed by TUBITAK SAGE as a bunker buster bomb with tandem penetrator warhead and uses laser guidance kit.
Some reports also say that HGK was also used. HGK (Hassas Gudum Kiti; Precision Guidance Kit) is a GPS/INS guidance kit for Mk84 bombs. It’s the Turkish equivalent of JDAM but with some important differences in design, such as control surfaces.
As for the subsystems, T-129 uses:
Engine: 2 x LHTEC CTS800-4A (2 x 1,373shp)
Armament:
20mm M197
ROKETSAN Cirit laser guided 2.75″ rockets
ROKETSAN UMTAS IIR/RF data link long range antitank missile
2.75″ FFAR
ATA Stinger
Spike (probable)
Hellfire (probable)
Avionics:
ASELSAN ASELFLIR-300T FLIR system
Thales Top Owl HMCDS (ASELSAN is developing Avci HMCDS for later versions)
ASELSAN avionics suite w/ 2 x color smart MFDs in both cockpits, CDU-900 flight management system, software defined radios, UHF/VHF, AN/APX-113 IFF
Specs (provisional):
Length: 14.33m
Rotor diameter: 11.90m
Empty weight: 2,900kg
MTOW: 5,000kg
Max weapons load: 1,200kg
Deliveries of the first batch of 9 helicopters (T-129A) for urgent operational requirement will commence in the second quarter of the next year. The second batch of 51 helicopters (T-129B) will enter service starting 2013.
Turkish General Staff today released a press statement with details of the operations:
– The operation was conducted between 17 – 22 August, the period until 19 August being a coordinated air & artillery strike.
– Targets hit during air strike include:
August 20: Metina, Zap, Avasin – Basyan, Hakurk; 13 targets
August 21: Kandil region, Gara, Zap, Metina; 4 targets
August 22: Zap, hakurk, Avasin – Basyan, kandil region: 7 targets
– During the whole operation, a total of 132 targets were hit by fighters from 2nd Air Force with 102 sorties.
– 349 targets were hit by artillery units located close to Turkish – Iraqi border line
– A total of 24 sorties were flown for damage assesment and reconnaissance
– 73 bunkers, 6 shelters, 18 caves, 8 depots, 14 facilities/buildings, 1 ammunition depot, 9 AAA sites and 3 control checkpoints were destroyed.
– Total number of PKK casualties is difficult to determine: General Staff gives a number of 90 – 100 terrorists killed and around 80 terrorists carried to nearby hospitals for treatment. COMINT also reveals that PKK lost contact with huge numbers of groups. They are also preventing press staff from entering the Kandil region, supposedly for trying to hide the extension of the damage.
– Some groups fleeing from the Kandil region entered nearby villages, forcing locals to act as human shields.
– General Staff notes that coordinated land and air strikes against Northern Iraq will continue.
Second wave of strikes started today (Thursday) at around 2130 local time with aircraft from 7 and 8th AJUs
Anyways…moving on….
Any idea what types of munitions were used in the strikes? Where was the CN-235? Inside Iraq or right on the border?
Newspapers claim high rate of laser guided munition (Paveway II possibly) usage. TurAF in the past used Paveway II, Maverick, HOBOS in addition to CBU and Mk-‘s. There is also a possibility for the GPS guided HGK (JDAM-a-la-Turca) to be used. No confirmation though.
As for the CN-235EW, no information yet. It is known that this aircraft has been used widely in ELINT/COMINT missions. It carries special ESM / ECM equipment developed by ASELSAN.
In other news, according to the press statement of Turkish Joint Staff released today, a total of 60 targets in Kandil, Hakurk, Avasin – Besyan, Zap and Metina at Northern Iraq were hit by aircraft.
Prior to the airstrikes, a total of 168 targets in Zap, Avasin – Besyan and Hakurk at Norhern Iraq were hit by Turkish artillery.
It is highly possible that artillery missions were supported by Gozcu 1 (Heron) UAVs.
Does the C-390 have the kind of rough field capability that this type of operator requires?
As far as I know, rough field capability was dropped from the requirement of KC-390 during final design stage.
One important potential advantage of KC-390 in the civilian market is its high rate of deployment of civilian / certified subsystems such as engines, avionics suite and other electronics / mechanics parts. This could very well shorten and ease its way into the civilian sector, especially taken into account that civilian freighters are more and more being used to support overseas OOTW.
Users of civ versions of An-12, C-130 etc may be reluctant to retire their craft in the short term but they’ll eventually do. When the time comes, I don’t think there will be many cost-effective alternatives.
As a side note, so far the following subcontractors were selected for the KC-390:
Goodrich: primary flight control system
BAE Systems: Flight control electronics
IAE: V2500-E5 turbofan engines (won against CFM56)
Rockwell Collins: Pro Line Fusion avionics suite (won against Honeywell Primus Epic)
DRS Technologies: Cargo handling & aerial delivery systems
Esterline: Autothrottle systems
Messier-Bugatti-Dowty: wheels, brakes and landing gear extension and retraction systems and nosewheel steering manifolds
Liebherr: Cabin pressure control
ELEB: Landing gear
Fábrica Argentina de Aviones ‘Brig San Martin’: structural components
FAdeA: Spoilers, nose landing gear doors, ramp door, flap fairings, tail cone, electric cabinet
Aero Vodochody: Rear fuselage II section, crew and parachutist doors, emergency door and hatches, cargo ramp, fixed leading edge of the wing