Grizzly01What aircraft types will partner PAK-FA in the years past 2017? It seems doubtful that RuAF will be able to introduce large numbers of PAK-FA in a span of few years. Wouldn’t it be reasonable to develop a cheaper multi-role aircraft in the class of F-35 or at least Rafale?
Grizzly01the guy made a few mistakes in his presentation..some of these things even fanboys would know better..
first of all, the Su-30MKI does not use Tumansky engines, but Saturn AL-31Fs..then, the Bison does not use an Israeli F-16 radar (as he claims) but instead uses the Kopyo..
and he never mentions all the handicaps that the IAF had imposed on itself in these exercises such as using Bars radar training mode only, not its full functional modes, so as to prevent operational frequencies and performance figures from being given out. Also, the IAF did not simulate the RVV-AE, instead simulating the R-73, which obviously meant that in a BVR environment they were handicapped severely. then again, they did not share the same datalink that would allow them to have hte battlefield picture like the F-16, F-15, F-15Ks and Rafales did..so, they kept having to ask AWACS to IFF a contact during which they lost precious time and got splashed.
If IAF is so concerned with secrecy surrounding Bars radar and other equipment in SU-30MKI, would it be better for them to keep the original batch of SU-30Ks for use in international exercises? After all having an old but functional N-001 is better than flying “blind” with latest radar. SU-30K is also probably a better “energy” dogfighter than MKI due to its lighter weight.
Grizzly01No, he said it could turn at 28 deg/sec. He didn’t say that was the max. 😉
If F-22 could turn at 28 deg/sec sustained rate, why would it slow down and go post-stall and provide an opportunity for an Eagle? It could easily win the fight using excess energy. I personally think that 28 deg/sec is close to maximum instantaneous turn rate.
Grizzly01Typhoon, thanx for the video.
Do you really think the USAF would let you see the maximum performance of the F-22A?
I believe that USAF is displaying the maximum performance of the F-22 at low altitude. It has already demonstrated “cobras”, tailslides, sommersaults, so there is no point of hiding sustained turn performance at low altitude.
Grizzly01Hmm that seems rather too quick, but if you have seen some of the early
su-27 demo flights flown at farnborough/le bourget ,a min radius/max rate turn was included and it was around 12 seconds for 360 deg.Try this vid at 5:02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M-ByZ0pBjQ
Obviously its nothing accurate, just gives a represention, general idea of the ability.
Thanks for posting a link to this video, I have not seen it before. It seems that Mig-29 and Su-27 did 360 in about 15 seconds. At LeBourget ’89 and Farnborough ’92 Flanker did a 360 turn in 13.5 and 14 seconds respectively. At Nellis 2007 Raptor turned in about 17 seconds. Of course you have to take into consideration that Raptors are flown by USAF pilots and MiGs and SU’s were flown by test pilots which may have been exceeding the normal limits. Still, I miss those early pre-TVC displays of MiG-29 and Su-27. They still look impressive.
Grizzly01lack of proof does not equal proof of lack.
I like the way you put that. It’s quirky, but it makes sense after pondering it for a moment.
As for the R-60 question, there seems to be a consensus that it was never carried. It makes sense for the missile to not have been cleared for use, but I just thought I’d ask as I have seen mention of it in places.
Here’s another riddle. I have a photo of what appears to be either a MiG-25RB or MiG-25BM. If it’s a MiG-25RB then why does it have Kh-58’s on the outboard underwing pylons. I thought only inboard pylons were fitted (for bombs) on the MiG-25RB.
If it’s a MiG-25BM, then why does it have a centerline bomb rack with what appear to be FAB-500 bombs on it. I thought the only stores carried by the BM were the four Kh-58 ARM’s and the centerline fuel tank.
Is this a demo bird for the BM perhaps using an RB airframe? Is it an idea for a multi-role SEAD/bomber/recce variant?
What’s the story?
According to Y. Gordon’s MiG-25 book it was one of several Foxbat-Bs modified under the MiG-25BM’s development programme. In the text it also states that MiG-25BM could carry iron bombs in addition to Kh-58 missiles.
Grizzly01Mig the beam maneuver is obsolete against any TWS radar mode. It can only counter velocity seach (VS) mode. The F-15 has TWS.
During Desert Storm two Iraqi MiG-25s used beaming manoeuver against USAF F-15Cs to break lock. It is described in detail in “F-15C Eagle Units In Combat”:
“…Pitts recalled that the targets jets executed a defensive manoeuvre:
“Kluso” got a good lock, and was ready to shoot at targeting range, when the MiGs went to the beam [perpendicular to Tollini and Pitts] and took it down low. We lost them, “Kluso” never got his missile off and we totally lost SA for a little bit…” Source: F-15C Eagle Units In Combat by Steve Davies.
The MiGs were reacquired at visual range and were shot down during dogfight. I think beaming manoeuvre is ineffective only against latest PESA and AESA radars.
Grizzly01Actually there’s the arms embargo for one thing, they’d have had to have taken delivery before it was put in place. Beyond that, I haven’t had time to look for a real source just yet, it’s too convenient and easy to find someone’s amateur site and pass it off as a real, credible source of information.
Recent pictures of Libyan MiG-23s show aircraft that looks like MiG-23MLD Export variant, with two dielectric antennaes on LERX. According to figures released by Mikoyan only 66 of MLD Export version were exported; 16 to Bulgaria and 50 to Syria. Perhaps it is possible that Libya received these aircraft not from USSR, but from Syria. Of course we don’t know if they were delivered before 1989, but it may explain why no pictures of MiG-23ML were taken by US Navy during previous intercepts.
Grizzly01Second, its very unlikely that the MiG-29s will be retired anytime soon.
Despite this crash, IAF has some 63-65 MiG-29s in service in 3 squadrons.
Their upgrade has been signed for (with new engines) plus avionics and structural work.
You can expect a few new airframes to be transferred from MiG stocks to build up numbers as well.
Since it will be a Govt to Govt deal, zero allegations of corruption, and hence files will move quickly.
IAF did the same buying up spare MiG-21s from EEurope in the 90’s from AF’s which were retiring them.
One way or the other, its too early to get worried.[/QUOTE]
Nick76,
Do you have more information on engine upgrade ( RD-33 Srs 3 8700-8800kg thrust rating or something else like RD-43)? Also, are the attrition replacements going to be new-built or remaining white-tails MiG-29As? Thanks.
Grizzly01The SH looks fallen down backwardly? But I have no complete video. Who are willing to share?
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=CAhB7GKLKY4
04:00 approxi.
It was just doing top part of a square loop. It is one of the standard maneuvers during airshow routine for Super Hornet, F/A -18ABCD, and sometimes MiG-29.
Grizzly01Tell that to the Iraqi and Soviet FOXBAT pilots shot down by Iranian F-14As.
I couldn’t find any information about Soviet flown MiG-25BMs and MiG-27s involvement in Iran-Iraq war. Were there independent confirmations of the engagements/kills of Soviet flown aircraft by Iranian fighters, or are these claims based only on personal accounts of Iranian pilots?
Grizzly01Does MiG-25P/PD have a HUD or a gunsight? In a recent MiG-25 book there was a picture of MiG-25P’s cockpit with the gunsight/HUD. However, the text didn’t contain any information about it. Since MiG-25 didn’t have a gun and early versions didn’t carry R-60s, what was the use for the gunsight?
Grizzly0112 September 1988
Flt. Lt. Khalid Mahmood
Kills: 2 Soviet MiG-23MLDs
Comments: 2 PAF F-16s Vs. 6 Soviet MiG-23s. Near Nawagai border area with Pakistan. Both Kills in a single sortie with AIM-9L and AIM-9P Sidewinders.
Both MiGs landed safely at Bagram AB. One AIM-9 was decoyed by a flare, the other exploded near MiG-23 damaging the wing and fuselage(sources: ACIG.org, IARP Volume 14, Aerofax title on MiG-23). The damaged MiG-23 was repaired using parts from another MiG and later received an artwork depicting wounded vulture.
Grizzly01MiG-23MLD was damaged by AIM-9, but the pilot was able to land safely, and the aircraft was repaired.
Grizzly01The Eurofighter originallly was designed to neutralizing Soviet superior jet like Su-27 counter-air fighter. The foreplan was put on for hi-maneuver. But from Video I searched in Youtube, the Eurofighter just did mediocre demo. in each airshow compare with the SHE/F which developed from 70’s F-18C/D did some impressive actions. Why Typhoon only did sth like a donkey run around a mill?
I guess I’m not the only one who thinks that Typhoon’s agility is not that superior compared with other fighters. In my opinion, Typhoon’s main advantage is supersonic maneuverability. At subsonic speeds, Rafale performs as well as Typhoon if not better( at least during airshows).
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