How is that, please show sources that state it lost speed an manouverability and just “HOW MUCH” speed and manouverability did it lose to the MiG-29A/B

Some data for MiG-29:

MiG-29 9-12 Fulcrum A MiG-29 9-13 Fulcrum C

Normal take off weight 15000kg 15300kg

Thrust to weight ratio 1.11 1.09

Ceiling 17500m 17000m

Top speed 2450km/hr 2450km/hr

G-limit 9.0 9.0

Initial climb rate 330m/sec 300m/sec

As you can see the difference is minimal, and agility and maneuvering performance should be the same. Additionally, several sources stated that pilots flying “Hunchback” Fulcrum C reported no difference in handling/maneuvering qualities. Like any other aircraft MiG-29 had and still has disadvantages, but subsonic agility/maneuverability is not one of them.

Yep…

What happened to SMT’s and UBT’s enlarged spine? Were there any aerodynamic penalties? Originally it was claimed that MiG-29SMT’s swollen spine does not affect flying qualities (Y. Gordon’s MiG-29 title). Also, does anyone know if current MiG-29SMT feature increased thrust engines?

I have not a video but photos of the two Migs Of the RIAT ´97 – MiG-23UB 8325 and MiG-23ML 2425 of the 41st fighter tiger squadron. MiG-23ML was displayed by mjr. Jiří Kareš on that RIAT ´97

this “spárka” was destroyed in 19.5. 1998, 8325 was the last flycapable two-seater of the CzAF.

Thank you for sharing and posting the pictures.

The outcome of the dogfight will be determined by pilot experience and training. The Mirage’s advantage in instantaneous turn (30deg/sec vs. 28deg/sec for Flanker/Fulcrum) alone does not warrant first shot/kill.

Thanks
In my image, the turn rate and agility of Mirage 2000 should much higher than Su-30MKs, now it is proved by your post. 🙂
I heared that Russia was surprised after that exercise 😀

Mirage 2000 has higher instantaneous turn rate, but Su-30 has advantage in sustained turn rate. This was known well before this exercise took place. Therefore, I don’t really see any “surprises” for Flanker pilots. Rafale vs. Flanker engagement would have been much more interesting.

Bla bla bla. Compare the TWR’s. Also the turn rates for the MiG seems fishy considering its draggy design.

MiG-29’s impressive turn performance at low altitude has been confirmed by numerous airshow appearances. JAS-39 Gripen is a good multi-role aircraft, but the Fulcrum is still a formidable opponent in subsonic regime when flown by experienced pilots. Perhaps in a near future a more objective comparison between these two fighters will be available from Hungarian AF.