FC-1 TP04

Ladies are hard working, gentlemen are chating, 😀 😀 …

Handsome boys: the PAF pilot and the J-7PG

So can you explain me the relation he had in the MiG-21/J-7?

The Soviet Union trained thousends of Chinese in Aerospace you can not compare the amount of Russian equipement, advisors and Chinese trained in Russai to the 1950s american trained Chinese.

Qian led the whole China’s aircaft and missile industry including MIG21 case.
His rank was as high as the vice minister of China aerospace department, and director of commission of national defence industry.He retired in 1987.

No one denied Soviet Union’s help. Chinese people respect and prize the great help from Soviet Union in 1950s. This is the real internationalism spirit! However the root cause of China’s getting great achievement in aerospace industry is due to Chinese people’s wisdom,hardworking and capability. External help is just an accessorial factor. Otherwise, you can not explain why India’s aviation industry is far behind China? China is embargoed by Soviet Union from 1962-1990, and still be banned by West up to today,while India gets helps since 1940s to today from British, Soviet Union, France, USA… all the east and west world….. 🙂 😀 😀

BTW, main human resource for aviation industry in 1960s was trained by China. 3 major aviation universities was founded in 1950s.http://ev.buaa.edu.cn/about/index.php?page=history

Fantastic…FC-1 04 will be next!! 😀

Yeah!
FC-1 04 —-April,2006
J-10 stealth version— end of 2006
ARJ–2007
J-11 aircraft carrier version—2007

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When did this happen?

I think it’s a right decision to change the nickname.
The L15 is too small too be named as “Flying Lion”. The JH-7 is big enough to be called as “Flying leopard”.

“Lie Ying” in Chinese has an literal meaning of “hunting eagle”. while the nickname of JL-9(L15’s competitor) is “Plateau Eagle” (Shan Ying). That means L15 will hunt JL9!!! hehehe

Here’s another shot of the “Lion” in flight.

The nickname of L15 has been change to “Falcon” (Lie Ying).hoho, same as F16’s.

I totally agree with you.

however i think China has indeed a more developed aircraft industry than India in terms of aircraft exports, it is true many of those are aircraft are in fact Russian license built fighters in China.

In terms of avionics also it is true China and India are relatively in the same level.

I don’t agree that only in terms of aircraft exports China has a more developed aircraft industry than India, In fact, in almost all aspects of aviation industry, China is far ahead of India. If you want to evaluate the strength of a country’s aviation industry, you should look at its aviation industry’s infrastructure instead of looking at how many exciting projects the country is doing. Chinese is not high-sounding people, Chinese people like to bend our head over doing substantial works. China spent 30 years to have built two world-class infrastructures for aviation industry. One is large scale’s wind tunnel group; the other is aero-engine’s simulated altitude test facility group. In today’s world, only USA, Russia, EU (British/France) and China own such a complete aviation industry’s infrastructure. China can independently test its airplanes, missiles, manned spacecrafts, turbofan engines, turboprop engines, turboshaft engines, etc by using its own infrastructure. But India does not have such vital infrastructures. India has to send its LCA and Kavri to Europe and Russia for wind tunnel test and simulated altitude test. Can India afford the high cost of the tests for thorough tests? Nobody is willing to teach real high-tech and real know-how to you. Especially for aerodynamic design and aero-engine design, you must have long-term test data and experience and long term’s technical deposit. You can not say you have an indigenous aviation industry without these infrastructures. China already has a basically self-contained aviation industry: from aircraft general design, material, aero-engine, radar and avionics, weapon to rocket eject seats, etc. My opinion for China-India comparison in aviation industry is: China already graduated from university, India is still in junior high school.

In terms of so-called Russian license built fighters, transporters, I’d like to say it’s re-design. An example is MIG-21/J-7 case. In 1960s, China- Russia relationship broke before Russia completely transfer MIG-21 technology to China, China had to newly calculate force intensity of airframe structure, do lots of wind tunnel test to understand the characteristics of delta wing…….Now China know MIG21 and delta wing very very well and inherited and applied delta wing technology to new J-10. In end of 1990s, when Romania wanted to upgrade its MIG-21MF fleet, it asked China to provide consultant instead of asking Russian. China made the best MIG-21 variants in the world and successfully exported 600 sets to world market. As contrast, India got the complete MIG21 technology at the same time as China’s, however, up to today India even can not make a qualified MIG21. Lots of MIG-21 made or upgraded by India aviation industry crashed as serving India Air Force and hit a shame high record. China was embargoed by both east (Russia) and west (US, EU) for 30 years, however all world’s resource is open and available to India, but why India’s step in aviation industry is far behind China???? Who knows?

In terms of avionics also it is true China and India are relatively in the same level.

Some facts in my mind make me against your comment on “China and India’s avionics is in the same level”. Let me list them. May be not so systemic.

1.China’s fighter jets all use home-made radars and avionics(J7,J8,J10,J11,JH7,Q5,FC-1/JF-17,etc). For imported fighters Su-27, It is well reported that China refused the avionics upgrading proposal from Russia, and will upgrade the early-imported Su-27 using Chinese own avionics. India has no such story.
2.China has two type indigenous AWACS planes (dish and balance beam) in mass production. India has none and has to buy Israel’s.
3.The World Radar Seminar is by turns hosted by USA, China, British, France, Japan (or Russia??), the 5 strongest countries in radar technology. I never heard India has this honor.
Besides exporting airplane, China exported lots of radars to the world since 1980s. Egypt Spent 1billion USD to import China’s YJ-91 radar to build its nationwide low altitude surveillance radar network. Other customers of Chinese radar are: Pakistan, Iran, Malaysia, Jordan, Venezuela, etc. Another example is China’s AEGIS in 052C DDG.How is India’s radar industry??

Do you have a source for this? Why did China abandon the deal?

The military authorities wanted to keep secret for their main force fighters at that time.